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Mendalla said:
Hmm. The physics of it would suggest that there has to be a lower limit below which we cannot extract enough heat relative to the energy expended to make a heat pump efficient. I have no idea what that limit would be without doing some research, though. I am neither a physicist nor an HVAC technician and I don't have a heat pump myself, just a traditional gas furnace + AC.
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Ah, yes, I forgot that our west, you all heat with gas. Nobody here does. Gas is for BBQs and the occasional fireplace.
 
Good morning! It's Sunday. A bit of snow overnight here, we'll be sweeping off the cars before going anywhere. Anyway, as we discuss heat sources and pumps, and how they work, let us join round the coffee cart. All is ready.

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Mrs.Anteater said:
Ah, yes, I forgot that our west, you all heat with gas. Nobody here does. Gas is for BBQs and the occasional fireplace.
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When I was a kid, a lot of people, including us, had oil furnaces. Natural gas largely replaced those in the eighties and nineties though I think there's still some left in older neighborhoods.
 
I know some farm families who heat with propane. There are stoves and fridges that use it too. We used wood for heat with a small electric furnace for back up. Now we have gas heat.
 
KayTheCurler said:
I know some farm families who heat with propane. There are stoves and fridges that use it too. We used wood for heat with a small electric furnace for back up. Now we have gas heat.
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I forget whether my aunt and uncle (live in a winterized cottage on a lake in cottage country) use propane or electric. There's now a big propane tank on the property so I imagine propane.
 
We use natural gas. Had to replace our furnace late fall this year. Wow, what a change. Discovered, through the process, that it had been the original propane furnace and was switched over to gas. We had been curious that it didn't have a filter. Turns out there was a filter shoved in behind a panel that said 'do not open". Installers had never seen such a thing. It was disgusting. We have a LOT less dust in the house now that we have a furnace with proper filters.
 
We've had natural gas since our house was built in the very early 60s. I don't know how to cook with electricity, and don't do well when I have to (fortunately, the church kitchen is also gas). And I find electric clothes dryers both very expensive to run and terribly inefficient.
 
We debated doing a natural gas stove when the LNG guys put the piping in but decided not to for reasons lost to the mists of time (the house is going to be 22 years old in June).
 
I haven't heard much lately about heat pumps - for a while they seemed the next great thing. There was an oil furnace in our house when we bought it, and after a few years when we could afford it, we switched to natural gas. I think we're on our 3rd gas furnace now, with efficiency & filtration going up with each installation. We just boosted our filter to a MERV 16 standard - a bit better for allergies etc. I was however hearing today on the radio that natural gas is not such a clean fuel in terms of climate change effect ... sigh. Electric from renewable sources is preferred. Wish there was enough of that around. We cook with electric though - I'd love to get an induction cooktop when I need a next stove - super efficient! We do have 2 gas fireplaces - best thing ever! They need no electricity (good in a power failure) & throw off a huge amount of heat.

Today I've been baking - so the house is nice & warm & smells great too!
 
@KayTheCurler - I have seen those big Aga Ranges on some British television shows - they look pretty amazing. Did you ever have one of that sort at home?
 
Good morning! As we continue the discussion on natural gas, propane and electricity, let us come together round the coffee cart. Warming bevvies of all kinds are available, take your choice and help yourself.

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Does most natural gas come from humans ... being a lot of hot Eire is passed in our mental-emotional states that lean towards madness!

Disturbing or just another tempest ignored ... we are good at naivete ... or so the story goes ... and the understanding is displaced!

Is there really more in the depth of it? I wouldn't be able to tell because of laws ... except maybe in high sub versify! Thus it is up there observing random corruption ... unequivocal? Few get a grip ...
 
Carolla said:
I was however hearing today on the radio that natural gas is not such a clean fuel in terms of climate change effect ... sigh.
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It is an improvement over oil and coal, so it is a step forward.
Carolla said:
Electric from renewable sources is preferred. Wish there was enough of that around.
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Electricity in Ontario is fairly green from a carbon standpoint. Our two largest sources are nuclear (which, other concerns aside, produces no CO2) and hydro (again, other concerns, but no carbon dioxide). Even renewables like solar aren't perfect from an environmental standpoint so I think we are not too badly off considering how many places globally still burn coal for electricity, which is the absolute worst of the bunch
 
Mendalla said:
It is an improvement over oil and coal, so it is a step forward.

Electricity in Ontario is fairly green from a carbon standpoint. Our two largest sources are nuclear (which, other concerns aside, produces no CO2) and hydro (again, other concerns, but no carbon dioxide). Even renewables like solar aren't perfect from an environmental standpoint so I think we are not too badly off considering how many places globally still burn coal for electricity, which is the absolute worst of the bunch
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Doesn't it provide some comfort to accept balanced sources ... after all look how ole Saul functions!

Then these things must be kept at arms length due to radiation --- Dr Hawking ... Ochman that's IT!

However physical powers are not really into balance in society, etc, ... too civil? Thus the tempest goes on ... and the burning of stories, tomes and other carriers ... psyches incinerate?
 
Are flaming psyches from a land one step beyond the land of control freaks ... scouts in the reasoning of Attica Finch?

I grew up in a household of raging control freaks ... my grandfather being the only saving grace as he looked on great desires as well ... just nothing in the field of intelligence ... Plato's Wahl ... when thoughts were placed in a bag as Sadducees ... sad the pool is and thus periodically stirs ...

Such may be lights unseen by mortal powers! Material for a novel expression ... since virtue is not well accepted by power of authority ...

There has to be another side ... right intuit as left? Something deep to draw upon ... druids? All in the word ... dicey?

What's chance ... part of the dialectic? Yet we really converse poorly with the stranger ... Gae Lily? Chrystal Gael ...
 
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Carolla said:
@KayTheCurler - I have seen those big Aga Ranges on some British television shows - they look pretty amazing. Did you ever have one of that sort at home?
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No. I only knew those things via photos , movies and tv shows. My family weren't rich enough to have one. It wouldn't have fitted in our wee kitchen anyway! My childhood gas stove was smaller than my electric stove now. My English family liked to tease me about my "Industrial stove"!
 
My childhood range was small as well. The way this kitchen is laid out, you can't have a full-sized fridge AND a full-sized range. My mother always chose a full-sized fridge and a 24" range, which you can barely get a decent-sized turkey in (and NOTHING else). I have chosen to go with a narrow, fridge-only, fridge (I have a freezer downstairs), and a 30" range, with five burners.
 
Good morning! As we talk ranges and fridges, and other topics of greater or lesser moment, the coffee cart is ready to be gathered round. C'mon in and join the kaffeeklatsch.

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Recent news items suggest that systems opposing capitalism have found room to attack the west due to the avarice of capital ... and a reaction is likely in the negative form of capitalism (experienced in social tyranny)! In a land claiming communing ... where communications are stifled ... lies proliferate?

The empiric suggest a need for a balance all around that is not there because of extremism in all parts ... pure polity! Ordinary folks suck this up as virtue ... due to poor illuminations ... takes a shadowy world to illustrate such pains ... the stimulus to change is yet beyond us!

Is that out-there or just OBI? Objective perspective from the other shoe ...
 
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