Kamloops and the residential schools in general

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Well it looks like the Rev Kevin Arrrrrnett was right after all

And that wretched terrorist org the Vatican with his badly crossdressing leader...isnt doing enuf

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Inannawhimsey said:
Well it looks like the Rev Kevin Arrrrrnett was right after all

And that wretched terrorist org the Vatican with his badly crossdressing leader...isnt doing enuf

#MutualAid folks. Form your networks now and help those you want and can help

We will get thru this. Not all of us of course--some have already fallen to heat or illness or lockdown or violence...

Humanity will survive...Amen
Awoman
Anit
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The vatican has done "enuf" IMO. I wouldn't want help from those who inflicted the pain in the first place, but I realize it's not my choice.
 
Waterfall said:
The vatican has done "enuf" IMO. I wouldn't want help from those who inflicted the pain in the first place, but I realize it's not my choice.
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Except that the Vatican is loaded and any real settlement should be coming from them as well as the Canadian taxpayer. And the various indigenous groups are fairly clear that without a clear acceptance of guilt and an apology from the Vatican, they will not be satisfied. And various RC orders hold the documentation needed to identify some of the victims and burial sites. Getting that paperwork would definitely be expedited if the Pope and others in the hierarchy said, "Make it so." So I do not see how we can bring this to a satisfactory conclusion for the indigenous groups and the residential school survivors without the Vatican, esp. since some of our own bishops and cardinals are balking.

If the Protestant denominations involved like the UCCan can own up, why can't the RCs?
 
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Mendalla said:
Except that the Vatican is loaded and any real settlement should be coming from them as well as the Canadian taxpayer. And the various indigenous groups are fairly clear that without a clear acceptance of guilt and an apology from the Vatican, they will not be satisfied. And various RC orders hold the documentation needed to identify some of the victims and burial sites. Getting that paperwork would definitely be expedited if the Pope and others in the hierarchy said, "Make it so." So I do not see how we can bring this to a satisfactory conclusion for the indigenous groups and the residential school survivors without the Vatican, esp. since some of our own bishops and cardinals are balking.

If the Protestant denominations involved like the UCCan can own up, why can't the RCs?
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I know, I know but it doesnt look theyre going to....unless every Roman Catholic stops giving them money and world wide protests from their own membership within the denomination.
 
I had an argument of sorts with my son today about this. He was working from the position that it is now immoral to "be" Catholic. I pointed out that 1/4 of his family of origin was and remains, totally Catholic, most of them belonging to the same parish.
 
Inannawhimsey said:
and there is Catholic hate going around again

church being burnt


its insane

the world is INSANE lol
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Yeah, regardless of what you think of the RCs handling of the residential schools, the church arson has to be stopped and soon. There's no excuse for that.
 
And that's exactly what I'm hearing Indigenous leaders say. One, I can't remember whom, said that this was a time for re-building, not for tearing down. They are totally of one voice of condemnation of this. They go as far as to say "this is NOT who we are".

But if I can offer a slightly more honest observation. Deliberate. But deliberately no risk to humans. Deliberate property damage. Not to UCC churches, not to Anglican churches, but to the RCC, possibly one of the richest institutions on earth. Can you imagine that there might be people, deeply damaged by the actions of the RCC, who might think that karma is a real bitch? (To offer a little context, I spent 5 months in a Catholic-run "maternity home" in the 1970s, FAR, FAR better than the Indian Residential Schools OR the Irish Magdalene Laundries, but still the stuff of nightmares. There are nuns named Mary Margaret who have stones in their wombs; there is such great danger of abuse in that particular institution, due to its age and its so-hierarchical and gender-biased structure.)
 
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BetteTheRed said:
And that's exactly what I'm hearing Indigenous leaders say. One, I can't remember whom, said that this was a time for re-building, not for tearing down. They are totally of one voice of condemnation of this. They go as far as to say "this is NOT who we are".
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Not to mention some of these are churches heavily attended by indigenous people, a large percentage of whom are actually quite faithful Christians. Essentially, whoever is doing it is harming, not helping, these people.
 
re:karma

sure
if we all got what we deserved
"the wages of sin is death"

and civil religions like Critical Social Justice are totally into reveng
no mercy or grace
you saw what happened to that sweet and nice and good WC friend of mine?

i am glad that caustic and dangerous religion is actually being fought

we can create a better world
but not that way
we need grace and mercy for one
 
I remember reading that the Catholic church had agreed to payments, but has so far only paid a fraction of it. I mean, we all know that church has a tradition of sweeping things under the rug for as long as possible. The whole abuse of students ( non-native), nuns, altar boys, parishioners has still not been appropriately dealt with.
They are continuing to want to deal with things inside the church.
I don’t understand why murder isn’t a criminal issue and documents aren’t just taken by police as evidence. And, every still living person involved in a unnatural death needs to be held accountable.
 
But, symbolically, this is "property damage" (as I said, careful avoidance, apparently, of any collateral damage to humans). This in light, of a church that couldn't "fundraise" the $25 million it promised to residential school survivors, but could 'find' $28 M for a cathedral in SK. The optics are really shitty. And not everyone feels compelled to follow "fairness" rules that are so often slanted in the other direction.
 
BetteTheRed said:
But, symbolically, this is "property damage" (as I said, careful avoidance, apparently, of any collateral damage to humans). This in light, of a church that couldn't "fundraise" the $25 million it promised to residential school survivors, but could 'find' $28 M for a cathedral in SK. The optics are really s**tty. And not everyone feels compelled to follow "fairness" rules that are so often slanted in the other direction.
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yet if it was done to a Mosque with no damge to people? see?

also during the Portland troubles (forgive 5he tangent) last year, even the local BLM were going "heeey we disavow this violence". its kinda funny how the founder of Proud Boys turned out to be an FBI informant lol

the stupid game goes around and around and us poor innocent shmucks get ground into the dirt

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