Kamloops and the residential schools in general

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Yeah, the only news aspect was they were found, not that they were there. I hope that identification happens as much as possible and that it helps some families.
 
I suppose a limited blessing is that these graves are being investigated in a period where DNA evidence might be very useful in identifying children's families of origin. It's my limited understanding that records were sketchily kept, with name and gender and cause of death often unrecorded in the documents that exist.
 
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I have seen this strong post by Shelagh Rogersa couple places on FB today:
https://www.facebook.com/sutherland.rogers/posts/1778893715616038
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And it's been done before, June 11th 2008 when Stephen Harper apologized and acknowledged the abuse and the deaths and those that never returned. During the Truth and Reconciliation, compensation was to be given to anyone that could prove they had been abused either sexually or physically, not many could "prove it". This "financial compensation" would only be agreed upon if indigenous peoples signed an agreement they would not sue the government. So apologize away and admit guilt because papers were signed not to sue and as usual, just like treaties, not many were personally compensated financially as suggested. (and those who were it wasn't much)
In 1992, St. Annes' Residential School, in Fort Albany Ontario, had a 7 year police (OPP) investigation into the torture (they had a home made electric chair), sexual abuse and physical abuse that took place there from 1946 right up to 1972. All of this was well documented by the police. The investigating officer was amazed those responsible continued to work there. Most of the former residents were told they were lying when they came to relate why they should be compensated after the Harper apology and less than 4 received personal compensation for physical abuse (no one claiming sexual abuse received compensation, even though there were police files verifying most of the claims. (but those police files were not known to the ones doing the compensations claims) and were "lost". (these police files have since been "dropped off" anonymously to a reporter) I've heard from those who would know, this sort of thing took place at many of the residential schools
I wonder how this all would go, if indigenous people were not forced into a "court" system that is not there's and ran these investigations according to the Indian Justice System?
 
In general about what's missing from humanity ... being they try to act like gods who support war!

Thus the dark gam's continue ... sacred are the hidden glowers ... careful love making? The brutes would have nothing to do with it ... as leaders we are shafted ... the measure of Moses? Expect spitting and hissing by the salesmen selling smooth stories ... that's polity according to roué ... may lead to Rouen ... a Gael land ... is the earth being laid waste?

Imagine a book of god and love raising such conflict and MS Understanding ...

Some may take the opinion it shouldn't be touched with a 10 foot pole ... as love can kill ... consider the story of arch i.e. the fall out ...

Observe it from a safe distance ... kind of out there ... and remember both sides will call the alternate insane ... the way it is as J' aimes at a distant recessive target ... motive delusions? Almost political in power ... de fault spot?
 
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I am glad Shelagh Rogers included the fact the federal government is resisting efforts to gain access to their records. It is one more example of Justin Trudeau confirming his hypocrisy.
 
I disagree, @jimkenney12, in that I can't lay any kind of "solo blame" on the current government. That feels like an attempt to negate our collective social responsibility. I am complicit, and so are you. Any of us who unwittingly loved Rudyard Kipling et al has absorbed this into our psyche. To lay it on a single leader is sloppy .
 
BetteTheRed said:
I disagree, @jimkenney12, in that I can't lay any kind of "solo blame" on the current government. That feels like an attempt to negate our collective social responsibility. I am complicit, and so are you. Any of us who unwittingly loved Rudyard Kipling et al has absorbed this into our psyche. To lay it on a single leader is sloppy .
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It is a religious protocol to not blame ... thus previous errs are forgotten and we can repeat --- Peat-Eire! With such vast forgotten-ess ... how would we be responsible for anything and everything?

Furthermore insane killing is thus encouraged to control the population ... and any irrational idealisms (notions) should arm themselves to the teeth ... and emotionally they do without a thought!
 
I am not laying solo blame on the current government. I am bothered about the contradiction between words and actions. This government is continuing blocking the release of records that was started by the Harper government. It is continuing resistance to equitable support of Indigenous children started by the Harper government. It did increase the rate of work on water treatment systems but does not seem to have corrected the failure of non Indigenous companies to deliver the services they promise. It is still resisting the application of Jordan's principle. From the outside it looks like there are managers within the department who are barriers to the government changing how it relates to Indigenous communities.
 
jimkenney12 said:
I am not laying solo blame on the current government. I am bothered about the contradiction between words and actions. This government is continuing blocking the release of records that was started by the Harper government. It is continuing resistance to equitable support of Indigenous children started by the Harper government. It did increase the rate of work on water treatment systems but does not seem to have corrected the failure of non Indigenous companies to deliver the services they promise. It is still resisting the application of Jordan's principle. From the outside it looks like there are managers within the department who are barriers to the government changing how it relates to Indigenous communities.
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By protocol alone it is a' greed not to be critical about fore running avarice ... tis uncontrollable because of those favouring increased winnings! Almost religious in nature ...

Are rules against self-incrimination not a deceitful portion of poorly understood constitutional matters that we must face every morning? Would we be happy about crap if we couldn't oppose?

Then there are the leaker accusations about things that were to be state secrets of sacred order under powers that are not that humble as they search for greatness! In the coming consequential storm ... one should keep their head down if not bury themselves to escape the future sub dude ... thus we become demonic hauntings in the future to be denied so protocol can persist! The search for power is like that; bury any thoughts aux contraire ... occipital process? Latent Occidentalism with a bite ...

Looking both ways is a duality worth virtue! With one ear some thoughts will not pass through immediately --- Van Goethe! Motes?

Might the nebulae be ready to explode? Neigh Boo Lem ... blind hearts thrash about ... alas ... thoughts, knowledge and wisdom are yet beyond us and there might be something to uncertainty!

Did you know that "uncertainty" is listed as the third attribute of mystics ... as they learn about err in protocol! Natural roué ... the fruit of the loam must be choked down ...
 
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Gloaming? Sparks in the darkness ... rites of reproduction and copious extension ...

When in limited (mortal) surroundings ... there may be some rethinking! Usually latent given rush 'n controls --- Kath Erin?

That B 'eth itch ... to overcome the plough shares ...
 
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I am hearing reactions talking about “ ongoing genocide” when they talk about the long term effects on generations. I don’t think that kind of language is helpful. It certainly makes it more dramatic, but “ genocide” actually has a definition.

Genocide definitions - Wikipedia

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and while it’s true that indigenous people in Canada are disadvantaged, more likely to be murdered, unjustly targeted, unfairly treated, have to deal with prejudice frequently, the is no present government program to eradicate them. “Genocide” is a bigger word than what is present. Similar problems apply to black Canadians and it seems to muslims in some respect.
 
I agree that using genocide as a description hurts communication. Unfortunately, there is a hopefully small minority of non Indigenous people, mostly white, who want the Indigenous people to either die or get out of the way of the exploitation of their land and resources. Centuries of seeing them as less than human still raints Canadian society. My problem with using genocide is that the word gets in the way of dealing with the policies and actions, such as fighting justice for Indigenous children in the courts.
 
The law of genocide may not be active ... but is it buried in the subconscious of folks that don't go into the dark ness of soul?

Shades of hell one might say as if relating the darkness of soul to PTSD!
 
I don't think it's accurate to use the word genocide today (common and garden "racism", "ignorance" and "greed" all work). However, I think it could be argued that the residential school system was intentionally and systemically structured around "cultural genocide".
 
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I don't think it's accurate to use the word genocide today (common and garden "racism", "ignorance" and "greed" all work). However, I think it could be argued that the residential school system was intentionally and systemically structured around "cultural genocide".
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Oh, I do think genocide was an appropriate word in the past.
 
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