BetteTheRed
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Yep, catering to big business, not public health. Fellow facepalm...
Covid 19 Vaccine
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KayTheCurler
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I spoke with doctors during the lead up to the vaccination process. All three strongly recommended getting 'done'.
BetteTheRed
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I respect that a random mystical sample of poor doctors out golfing might have some odd ideas. Apparently stupid Canadian general types do the same around "sexual misconduct"; "out golfing" seems to be a common thread; unsafe, can you find us a source condemning richer people golfing together?.
I tend to look to medical institutions, like public health officials, "federal" type institutions, etc. for my sources. Your mileage may vary.
I tend to look to medical institutions, like public health officials, "federal" type institutions, etc. for my sources. Your mileage may vary.
A dear couple very close to me are now facing the consequences of their radical opposition to the Pfizer vaccination. The woman's has 2 brothers whose hearts are functioning at a 20% efficiency. A couple of days ago, a cardiologist told one of them (Rick), "I don't know why you are still alive! If you could see your heart as I have, you would see what I mean." Several years ago, doctors told Rick death was imminent with massive organ shut-downs pending. Of course, our prayer group prayed for Rick and took comfort in the fact that he has survived the dire prognosis for several years beyond medical expectation.
Of course, I often asked myself, "Why doesn't God just give Rick a new heart like other creative miracles we have seen?" I have no answer to that question and can't bring myself to take comfort in the thought, "Oh well, God has an exit strategy for each of us." We keep praying because miracles keep happening, but the price we pay is dashed expectations when those we pray for aren't healed as expected. In any case, Rick has just been diagnosed with Covid-19 and, absent a miracle, is unlikely to survive with his poor heart condition. I wonder how my anti-vax friends feel about not encouraging Rick to get vaccinated, given the availability of the vaccine in early January. Perhaps doctors thought Rick was too much at risk to get vaccinated. I can't ask them about this because this couple may be in anguish over their steadfast opposition to the vaccine. They seemed to bristle when I shared my agreement with my doctor-brother's opinion based on medical journals that everyone should get vaccinated. I don't wear my big red "Covid-19 Vaccinated' button around them. Sigh, sometimes life seems just too complicated!
One might legitimately ask ... how does such uncertainty develop in a population lead by such upright, ethical and moral leadership? Is there some kind of potent doubt ... as that which attended to Jesus parable? Who was Jesus best friend ? Didymus ... the unseen twin ... like Tatiana ... gone underground also?
What else might be buried in the natural parables? Perhaps Alfred North Whitehead as a natural indicator: "Philosophy begins in wonder. And, at the end, when philosophic thought has done its best, the wonder remains."
What needs to be questioned in the infinite sense? Where does the flaw called corruption reside ... inhuman Eire?
ChemGal
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*sigh* One of the people who died from covid on the Foothills outbreak was fully vaccinated. With all the VOCs I think opening in 2 weeks is too soon, but chances of hitting the target today are high enough I suspect the announcement is already scheduled.
Do you know the circumstances of the death? Was it Covid related?
I was reading in the states that the Vaers reports are not always verified the death is Covid related and it takes time to verify.
Mendalla
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Canada has a more rigorous reporting system, though, or the Global piece on the problems with VAERS that I read seemed to be saying so.
How conspiracy theorists are using a CDC database to spread misinformation and fear - National | Globalnews.ca
A U.S. CDC tracking system has inadvertently given the anti-vax community a powerful tool for spreading misinformation about COVID-19 vaccines.
globalnews.ca
I was looking for that link and wondering if Canada was the same....so thanks.Canada has a more rigorous reporting system, though, or the Global piece on the problems with VAERS that I read seemed to be saying so.
How conspiracy theorists are using a CDC database to spread misinformation and fear - National | Globalnews.ca
A U.S. CDC tracking system has inadvertently given the anti-vax community a powerful tool for spreading misinformation about COVID-19 vaccines.
The other thing is I think years ago if deaths or injuries were caused by vaccines they were not always acknowledged, making it harder for someone to sue the vaccine companies.
I believe I read somewhere that ast year Canada joined the rest of the G7 nations that can sue if injuries/death are caused by even experimental vaccines.
ChemGal
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It was confirmed to be a COVID death.
I don't understand what that has to do with VAERS at all.
Nothing...a system used in the states used as example. Do you know what Canada uses?
ChemGal
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For vaccination side effects? AEFI which is different than reporting COVID deaths. This was fully confirmed by AHS, so I don't think it's questionable. They have backtracked on numbers before ie. assumed something was a COVID death but found someone died due to another causes so days the death numbers actually decreased.
With the extra commentary though, I'm confident that the cause of death isn't just assumed, it's the confirmed cause.
I suppose we wouldnt know if the vaccine had time to kick in? Because if it did that would be more interesting that it happened.
ChemGal
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fully vaccinated means minimum of 2 weeks after the last dose.
ChemGal
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I find this frustrating - COVID-19 Tracker Canada - Vaccination Tracker
We really do need more vaccines here. Right after we get some in we actually have higher utilization percent than some places, but less overall vaccinated because the disparity in what we get is significant.
We really do need more vaccines here. Right after we get some in we actually have higher utilization percent than some places, but less overall vaccinated because the disparity in what we get is significant.
What do we really know about vaccines and human complexity when we insist on simplicity?
Thus we are rendered down to that end ... period ... a point of rest!
After that we go on forgotten ... unless blessed with deja vu ... distinctly discouraged by those that would rather dispose of that part ...
Biblically the bible says early on that knowledge is bad ... if you recall!
I've been told "that is nonsense ... it doesn't say that" providing a hint that we observe only as we wish to ...
Thus we are rendered down to that end ... period ... a point of rest!
After that we go on forgotten ... unless blessed with deja vu ... distinctly discouraged by those that would rather dispose of that part ...
Biblically the bible says early on that knowledge is bad ... if you recall!
I've been told "that is nonsense ... it doesn't say that" providing a hint that we observe only as we wish to ...