Covid 19 Vaccine

[Mendalla]

to have enough income to be worthwhile

Exactly this. My local Viet-Thai place has never opened their dining room, even when it was possible last summer. With the restrictions on tables, they just could not make enough money or generate enough tips for the staff to call them in. So they just kept operating as a take-out place.

NS had close to 60% of the population vaccinated once. But- not so much the younger generations.

Interesting. I've heard that the uptake in the 18+ group has been pretty good in Ontario. Not sure about the 12-17s. They haven't been eligible as long. My son (22) was itching to get in and was as aggressive about it as I was.

 

[ChemGal]

@ChemGal most individuals and i think news agencies are referring to these restrictions as lock down. It sounds like you are using a much more restrictive definition.

I have witnessed a lockdown. What is happening here isn't it.
I've explained my reasoning on this numerous times. We are actually encouraged to get outside by the government.

 

[ChemGal]

What is the collateral damage as a result? ( as in deaths and long covid)
Are the Covid cases in the Oil Sands a concern at all?

I don't think a lockdown would have resulted in less deaths than proper restrictions at the right time.

 

[JayneWonders]

I understand that you aren't calling it a lockdown, @ChemGal .

The press, the media, common people are referring to what we are experiencing and have been in Ontario on & off , in various styles, is a lockdown.

From the article below: "“Lockdowns entail stay-at-home recommendations or orders, but the level of restriction accompanying those orders varies.”

What Does “Lockdown” Even Mean Anymore? | The Walrus

One year into COVID-19, our definitions are constantly changing. But, when politics distort our language, people can die

thewalrus.ca

I'm good with that.

 

[Waterfall]

I think we really need to find out where Covid came from...... finding the origins will help alot too IMO. If it's from an animal, could we just vaccinate the animals or "cull" them?

Here's an article that addresses how the origins of Covid 19 are being addressed and why.

MSN

www.msn.com

 

[ChemGal]

I understand that you aren't calling it a lockdown, @ChemGal .

The press, the media, common people are referring to what we are experiencing and have been in Ontario on & off , in various styles, is a lockdown.

From the article below: "“Lockdowns entail stay-at-home recommendations or orders, but the level of restriction accompanying those orders varies.”

What Does “Lockdown” Even Mean Anymore? | The Walrus

One year into COVID-19, our definitions are constantly changing. But, when politics distort our language, people can die

thewalrus.ca

I'm good with that.

Alberta hasn't had stay at home orders since over a year ago. I did bring up it this time with what Alberta has done. With the updates we are reminded we haven't had a lockdown. Early on gets referred to as a shutdown as most businesses were shut down.
I don't understand the desire to feed into harmful language. Just because it's common doesn't make it ok. If protesters weren't so loud, and large in number the exaggerated language wouldn't be as big of a problem but there's still those who struggle and I do think if the general population was less black and white in how things are discussed that could help with supporting those. Even things like the panic buying - may have eased that slightly.

I think it's also why the circuit breaker phase was being used by officials-- a reminder it's short term, the higher level of restrictions had an end in sight.

 

[ChemGal]

I understand that you aren't calling it a lockdown, @ChemGal .

The press, the media, common people are referring to what we are experiencing and have been in Ontario on & off , in various styles, is a lockdown.

From the article below: "“Lockdowns entail stay-at-home recommendations or orders, but the level of restriction accompanying those orders varies.”

What Does “Lockdown” Even Mean Anymore? | The Walrus

One year into COVID-19, our definitions are constantly changing. But, when politics distort our language, people can die

thewalrus.ca

I'm good with that.

From the same article
In the context of public health during a raging pandemic, poor communication isn’t just a pet peeve for copy editors: it’s killing people.

I agree.

 

[BetteTheRed]

I do not think that this pandemic has been handled well, from a media/information point of view.

But realistically, it's been the first global pandemic in a century, so it's not surprising that we haven't reacted well. Humans need practice.

 

[BetteTheRed]

I think SARS was supposed to be the practice run, and we paid no attention.

Humans are a bit stupid, as well.

 

[JayneWonders]

On the other hand, @ChemGal, stating there hasn't been a lockdown based on your definition, is pushing it.
Clearly, for many, there has been.

 

[ChemGal]

On the other hand, @ChemGal, stating there hasn't been a lockdown based on your definition, is pushing it.
Clearly, for many, there has been.

And I have said there has been. Has Alberta overrall had a lockdown? No.

 

[Inukshuk]

One dose of a vaccine is showing to be only 33% effective against the Delta variant - there is a huge push in north Peel region to get second doses into people.

 

[Luce NDs]

I think SARS was supposed to be the practice run, and we paid no attention.

Humans are a bit stupid, as well.

But only a bit to each ... in accrued form ... massive mistake?

 

[Luce NDs]

On the other hand, @ChemGal, stating there hasn't been a lockdown based on your definition, is pushing it.
Clearly, for many, there has been.

Intelligence and wisdom is locked down, closed to discussion ... thus sacred satyrs as hidden carriers ... de Finnian of mankind ... you may even watch it depart.

I miss Kimmio her sharp probes used to bring out the worst of calm passion in folk ... the calm passion still rests ... inactive as RIP van Winkle during the worst of the Civil Disturbance and War!

Like all things life surpasses us unnoted by huge masses gathering wealth ... Sam Clements item ... and you cannot do much about the stoic sorts that don't flow well in equalization of the well ... and the what Ur of life goes underground ... expect augur NG!

 

[Mendalla]

One dose of a vaccine is showing to be only 33% effective against the Delta variant - there is a huge push in north Peel region to get second doses into people.

In Ontario in general. Problem here is that we effectively lost 20,000 doses (estimate by our mayor and medical officer) due to the province focussing on hot spots, none of which were in my health unit, rather than doing per capita distribution. So MLHU is still getting caught up on first doses.

 

[JayneWonders]

Curious, do you have a problem with them focusing on hot spots?

 

[ChemGal]

Curious, do you have a problem with them focusing on hot spots?

The federal government doesn't even seem to be doing that. I'm at a loss for how they choose who gets more or less per capita.

 

[JayneWonders]

Sorry, my question was for @Mendalla re Ontario distribution and his reference to hotspots.
I understand that federal distribution to provinces is different.

 

[Mendalla]

Curious, do you have a problem with them focusing on hot spots?

No, but if the province is going to allocate vaccines that way, then they can't expect other regions to be at the same level as the ones that have hotspots.

And, to be honest, we did have a postal code area that had a per capita rate higher than some of the postal code areas that were identified hotspots. MLHU called this out as did the mayor and I don't recall that there ever was a response from Queen's Park on why it was not a "hotspot". That I have a bit of a problem with. And the allocation of hotspots was a bit wonky in places. If my son had lived a couple blocks over, he would have been in a hotspot. Postal code areas are, perhaps, not the best way to track this stuff.

 

[Northwind]

The federal government doesn't even seem to be doing that. I'm at a loss for how they choose who gets more or less per capita.

That's because it is up to the provincial governments to do that