ChemGal
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The provincial governments do not get to decide how much they receive. Why are some provinces regularly higher per capita in what they get than others? It doesn't seem to be based on case rates either.
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Northwind
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I haven't seen the problem you note. I do NOT believe Alberta gets treated unfairly.
JayneWonders
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You can see the total number of vaccines distributed to provinces on the Canadian public health website.
I did a quick check, and they seem to be correlating to population.
I did a quick check, and they seem to be correlating to population.
ChemGal
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How so? I see a consistent pattern with certain provinces having more
ChemGal
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So you think it's fair Alberta has less per capita?
JayneWonders
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Can you show us stats that indicate Alberta has significantly less than any other province? Remember -- the far north was one of the early groups, so they received way more than provinces.
Northwind
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I don't believe they do. Alberta has a chip on it's shoulder that is not flattering for a pretty great province.
You're going to have to back up the statement with data to show whether Alberta has less per capita. It also needs to be an unbiased source
ChemGal
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@Northwind @JayneWonders I've shared earlier - COVID-19 Tracker Canada - Vaccination Tracker mentioned earlier
Hard to remove bias as not all provinces report doses as received like Alberta does, so some provinces have more than what the tracker shows.
Currently, per 100K:
Also note due to how Quebec is counting their numbers, their number of doses is actually underrepresented (doses administered could actually be greater than 100% of doses delivered).
Numbers I did about a week ago from the same source, right after AB received a delivery, before that shipment was received the other 3 had the same numbers, AB was sitting at 61253:
Based on trends, I expect to see ON getting more doses delivered before we get more, despite currently having less per capita.
Hard to remove bias as not all provinces report doses as received like Alberta does, so some provinces have more than what the tracker shows.
Currently, per 100K:
| 75971 - Quebec |
| 76009 - ON |
| 75957 - BC |
| 74392 - AB |
Also note due to how Quebec is counting their numbers, their number of doses is actually underrepresented (doses administered could actually be greater than 100% of doses delivered).
Numbers I did about a week ago from the same source, right after AB received a delivery, before that shipment was received the other 3 had the same numbers, AB was sitting at 61253:
| 68393 - Quebec |
| 68535 - ON |
| 68238 - BC |
| 66589 - AB |
Based on trends, I expect to see ON getting more doses delivered before we get more, despite currently having less per capita.
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ChemGal
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Please explain what you don't believe about the numbers.
Northwind
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I haven't seen the numbers until you posted them. On the face of it, the numbers look close. I imagine population density and similar factors play into the numbers of vaccine doses distributed. I don't believe cries that Alberta is hard done by based on history. It complains that it gives so much to Canada and doesn't get anything in return and discounts any information that disputes that. Alberta has in fact contributed to Canada meaningfully. It has also received benefits from Canada over time.
ChemGal
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I'm not saying we don't get anything in return. We have been told distribution is supposed to be equal per capita. AB lags behind what most of the other provinces are getting. Nova Scotia and PEI sometimes fall into that too, although their data seems to lag too. I don't see any indication that there's a trend based on population density.
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Here is what the federal government has distributed, plus the populations of the provinces, and then, the vaccines as a % of vaccine.
The first part of the chart is from the federal site
The latter is from population stats, which of course, will be close, but, not perfect
As you can see the percentage is tracking very close, with the exception of AstraZeneca.
Ontario has continued to bring in AstraZeneca, and distribute it.
There were differences in approach to AstraZeneca by the provinces, including some question if Alberta would be taking more. I do not have time, or interest to dig into the history, nor do I know if you could really tell, but, I suspect, based on what the chart shows, that the provinces who put a hold on AstraZeneca more serverly, slowed down their vaccine receipts in that produce.
The first part of the chart is from the federal site
The latter is from population stats, which of course, will be close, but, not perfect
As you can see the percentage is tracking very close, with the exception of AstraZeneca.
Ontario has continued to bring in AstraZeneca, and distribute it.
There were differences in approach to AstraZeneca by the provinces, including some question if Alberta would be taking more. I do not have time, or interest to dig into the history, nor do I know if you could really tell, but, I suspect, based on what the chart shows, that the provinces who put a hold on AstraZeneca more serverly, slowed down their vaccine receipts in that produce.
| Total COVID-19 vaccine confirmed distribution as of June 3, 2021, at 3:30 p.m. | ||||||||||
| Vaccine distribution | Pfizer/BioNTech | Moderna | AstraZeneca | Total | Population | Pfizer/BioNTech | Moderna | AstraZeneca | Total | |
| Total distributed in Canada | 20,115,781 | 6,090,120 | 2,872,860 | 29,078,761 | 38,008,005 | |||||
| Newfoundland and Labrador | 275,730 | 76,200 | 41,100 | 393,030 | 520,998 | 53% | 15% | 8% | 75% | |
| Prince Edward Island | 84,825 | 23,500 | 9,600 | 117,925 | 159,713 | 53% | 15% | 6% | 74% | |
| Nova Scotia | 520,260 | 144,000 | 60,000 | 724,260 | 979,115 | 53% | 15% | 6% | 74% | |
| New Brunswick | 415,155 | 114,890 | 61,500 | 591,545 | 781,315 | 53% | 15% | 8% | 76% | |
| Quebec | 4,548,747 | 1,287,850 | 672,420 | 6,509,017 | 8,575,779 | 53% | 15% | 8% | 76% | |
| Ontario | 7,826,325 | 2,209,610 | 1,156,300 | 11,192,235 | 14,733,119 | 53% | 15% | 8% | 76% | |
| Manitoba | 733,980 | 229,600 | 84,260 | 1,047,840 | 1,379,584 | 53% | 17% | 6% | 76% | |
| Saskatchewan | 625,755 | 183,900 | 92,500 | 902,155 | 1,177,884 | 53% | 16% | 8% | 77% | |
| Alberta | 2,347,995 | 655,300 | 290,800 | 3,294,095 | 4,428,112 | 53% | 15% | 7% | 74% | |
| British Columbia | 2,730,390 | 774,040 | 403,900 | 3,908,330 | 5,145,851 | 53% | 15% | 8% | 76% | |
| Yukon | 1,170 | 63,330 | 20 | 64,520 | 42,176 | 3% | 150% | 0% | 153% | |
| Northwest Territories | 4,680 | 72,870 | 0 | 77,550 | 45,074 | 10% | 162% | 0% | 172% | |
| Nunavut | 0 | 51,100 | 0 | 51,100 | 39,285 | 0% | 130% | 0% | 130% |
ChemGal
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I don't follow what the percent is, but MB has the least of AZ and more doses per capita than here.
This has been ongoing since the AZ 2nd dose issue. Also, AB used up all of the AZ that expired prior to June, before an extension for the expiration date was given, so that seems odd if that's the result of why there's currently less for the population here.
ChemGal
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Alberta doesn't get to 'bring in' anything. It gets sent here, outside of AB's control. 2nd doses of AZ are continuing, from what is in the province.
We were actually one of the first provinces to stop 1st doses with it due to lack of supply - so that what we did have could be used for 2nd doses. ON seems to have a greater delay than AB as why did they need the expiration extension there when everything that expired in May was used here?
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Only for second shots for those who have already received a first dose of AZ and now that they are following the NACI revised guidelines allowing the second dose for AZ recipients to be mRNA, that may change how much we need as well.
ChemGal
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I used that data. Provinces with less than 68000 doses of Pfizer & Moderna per 100000 population are all East of Quebec and Alberta. If we look at population, case load, etc. it would be expected AB would fall somewhere between BC and AB (the most).
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@ChemGal , unless you can show me something the matter with the data that I presented, or the math calcs, then,, I am done with this conversation.
The numbers clearly show that Pfizer distributions as a % of population are identical .
For Moderna, most are the same, with Manitoba and Saskatchewan having slightly more.
As indicated previously, the difference is really in AstreZeneca.
The numbers clearly show that Pfizer distributions as a % of population are identical .
For Moderna, most are the same, with Manitoba and Saskatchewan having slightly more.
As indicated previously, the difference is really in AstreZeneca.
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Yeah, looks like distribution levels are pretty equal.
ChemGal
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They don't. Here are the numbers of the 2 together for 100000:
A difference of 500 per 100000 equates to a good chunk of doses.
| 67549 |
| 67825 |
| 67843 |
| 67840 |
| 68059 |
| 68118 |
| 69846 |
| 68738 |
| 67823 |
| 68102 |