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Waterfall said:
That's interesting......we seem to have not had much of a flu season in Canada this past winter.
Australia is one of the countries we often use to predict what we put into our flu vaccines for the coming winter.
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Norovirus isn't actually flu or related to flu, in spite of people calling it "stomach flu". It is foodborne or transmitted through physical contact, and is the one that often dogs the cruise industry (buffets are great for it). No vaccine either (as far as I know).
 
Mendalla said:
Norovirus isn't actually flu or related to flu, in spite of people calling it "stomach flu". It is foodborne or transmitted through physical contact, and is the one that often dogs the cruise industry (buffets are great for it). No vaccine either (as far as I know).
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Right...my bad....(.also surfaces)
 
I'm a bit surprised by how many posters here are feeding into covid denier, antimask, etc. rhetoric with the lockdown usage when there are socialization restrictions plus shutdowns of some things but generally people are free to move about. It's extremist language when some health officials are trying to come up with the right balance of preventing severe covid effects across the population while not impacting the health, plus having to manage the political issues.
 
ChemGal said:
I'm a bit surprised by how many posters here are feeding into covid denier, antimask, etc. rhetoric with the lockdown usage when there are socialization restrictions plus shutdowns of some things but generally people are free to move about. It's extremist language when some health officials are trying to come up with the right balance of preventing severe covid effects across the population while not impacting the health, plus having to manage the political issues.
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Here in Ontario, "stay at home" was technically the rule until yesterday. They didn't really give anyone the tools to enforce it (well, they did but an outcry made them walk it back), but it was specifically said that you were only to leave home for a few specific purposes (food, healthcare, outdoor exercise). I think "lockdown" is fair for that.
 
Mendalla said:
Here in Ontario, "stay at home" was technically the rule until yesterday. They didn't really give anyone the tools to enforce it (well, they did but an outcry made them walk it back), but it was specifically said that you were only to leave home for a few specific purposes (food, healthcare, outdoor exercise). I think "lockdown" is fair for that.
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That's enough for some freedom extremists to cry Ball and Chain Politics ... retained responsibility for others!

Are temperance folks mean or weird mediums? Thus thoughts bounce ... like light across the waters after the storm ... tur*boo*Lance/LANs?

Quantum blips ...
 
Mendalla said:
Here in Ontario, "stay at home" was technically the rule until yesterday. They didn't really give anyone the tools to enforce it (well, they did but an outcry made them walk it back), but it was specifically said that you were only to leave home for a few specific purposes (food, healthcare, outdoor exercise). I think "lockdown" is fair for that.
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I agree. There have been areas under lockdown. Most longterm care facilities in the country were at least at some point over the last year+. Quebec's curfew comes to mind too.

There are times where lockdown is reasonable, ie. those who have COVID/have a high likelihood of having it. Some of the long term care aspect was necessary, some went to far and resulted in deaths because people weren't getting their needs met.

If we start saying things like being limited to so many in a store, needing to wear masks in public areas, etc. equates to a lockdown, there are issues with that. For some people it does get them quite upset, spikes anxiety, etc. It distracts from the balance approach messaging and the why decisions are being made. It fuels the whole they are taking away our rights and freedoms protesting - sure, some freedoms have been taken away, but I think many governments are trying to allow a fair bit while also trying to prevent deaths. It also adds a lot of noise to criticisms when governments do go to far, like with ON when shutting playgrounds the 2nd time (the 1st time there was a lot of unknowns). Would Ford have even taken that step if all that noise didn't exist?
 
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JayneWonders said:
The virus' are attacking children to my knowledge. What they aren't doing is, in most cases, killing them.

Here is an article confirming that: Coronavirus outbreak and kids - Harvard Health
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Yes.

Last February and March, Peel had a large number of clusters of asymptomatic covid positive kids transmitting the virus to their families. I don't completely understand the science - however coronavirus originally had a harder time binding to receptors in children's cells. UK and German studies are showing that the new variants have a mutation that makes it easier to latch onto children's cells. Hopefully kids immune systems are healthy enough to fight off this virus. We have to put in as many layers of protection as possible to protect our young people.
 
I'll add in too while those in isolation or quarantine meet the criteria for lockdown I think in general it helps if as a society we do use the terms isolation or quarantine. People stuck inside and venting- sure go ahead and say lockdown. Emotional support if they use the term then using lockdown as well makes sense. When reaching out though - don't add into what has been come so politicized and emotional for many this last year.

Ie. If offering services- I can drop off groceries for anyone isolating send me a message.
 
Lockdown puts a cover on it for some to say it is a closed matter ... the spirit still is out and around inciting ...
 
Alberta has been adding in additional data analysis compared to what used to be available on the app. I don't typically look through each aspect. Peaked at one I don't regularly look at - they included a graph over time, sorted by age, cases per 100000 in each group. Last wave 5-19 year olds had the most number of cases for their population size, followed by 20 somethings. Vaccines were a factor - the 2 groups of 60 and over were the 2 lowest. I think schools being in is more of a contributing factor than has been admitted, even if there isn't a huge amount of spread within schools.

Also a big change from when quite a few were suggesting kids wouldn't be an issue in terms of spread.
 
As age groups get vaccinated and have a corresponding drop in infections, then, the groups with lesser (first dose) or no vaccinations, will, mathematically, have a greater volume of cases for their populations size. In other words, if we ever got to everyone 100% vaccinated, under than under 12, and if you could say 100% vaccinated meant that you would have no infections, then, ALL cases would be for under 12. (This, i believe, is highly improbable, but, it speaks to why trends need to take into account all factors.
 
JayneWonders said:
As age groups get vaccinated and have a corresponding drop in infections, then, the groups with lesser (first dose) or no vaccinations, will, mathematically, have a greater volume of cases for their populations size. In other words, if we ever got to everyone 100% vaccinated, under than under 12, and if you could say 100% vaccinated meant that you would have no infections, then, ALL cases would be for under 12. (This, i believe, is highly improbable, but, it speaks to why trends need to take into account all factors.
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3rd wave didn't have very many in the 20s group vaccinated though (peaked May 2ndish). 2nd wave they were more impacted than those in their 60s/70s.
If kids really weren't much of a concern in terms of spread it would also be expected to see the 3rd wave to be smaller.

I agree, the vaccinations were definitely a factor in terms of who was impacted the most for the 3rd wave. I think there was just a lot of pressure in many places to get schools going, so that affected how some things were being represented and information gets shared, so it affects decisions even in places that didn't have as strong of a bias to have schools running.
 
Mendalla said:
Tell you what, Albertans. We'll get rid of Doug if you get rid of Jason. Deal? Or maybe we can just put them both on a slow boat to some remote island.

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Yeah, he's doing a good job of pissing off quite a few people. There's been some good jokes out of it too.
A Wine & Beyond Store advertised a 'staff pick"
Jameson Whiskey
Good "Budget Whisky"
Awesome for Rooftop Patios!

Unfortunately Dr. Hinshaw had a lot of questions about if the rooftop patio party was within the rules or not. Wasn't the proper venue for those questions IMO but when Kenney isn't going to speak to the media someone from the government ends up doing it.
 
In other notes, the variant seems to be what is causing the churn with what Ontario will do come reopening.
I wish rather than keeping it in the background, they would speak to the facts, similair to how Dr. Henry has done in BC.
Sadly, we have challenges in Ontario, which lead to distrust and people saying "screw this"
 
JayneWonders said:
In other notes, the variant seems to be what is causing the churn with what Ontario will do come reopening.
I wish rather than keeping it in the background, they would speak to the facts, similair to how Dr. Henry has done in BC.
Sadly, we have challenges in Ontario, which lead to distrust and people saying "screw this"
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Unfortunately they are now saying many labs in Ontario are not equipped to detect the Delta and other variants.
 
Which is in part why the naming of a variant by the location it is discovered is a challenge.

Picture that only one lab in the world could detect all variants.
By definition, as it was the one that was detecting them, then everyone would say it is the "countryX" variant.
In fact, the variant might have erupted in one (?or many?) locations and travelled to there
 
So the NHL managed to cut a deal to get around quarantine rules for the remainder of the playoffs (for the early rounds, Canadian teams played in their own division so only played in Canada). Will still require testing and bubbles to keep the players isolated from the public, but I expect we'll hear other professional sports organizations pushing for similar deals soon.

 
Mendalla said:
So the NHL managed to cut a deal to get around quarantine rules for the remainder of the playoffs (for the early rounds, Canadian teams played in their own division so only played in Canada). Will still require testing and bubbles to keep the players isolated from the public, but I expect we'll hear other professional sports organizations pushing for similar deals soon.

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Wasn't curling already international, or was that Canada only?
 
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