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Northwind said:
BC was doing well. I think they rested on their laurels and messed up a bit. Hopefully our currently ballooning numbers humbles them and puts them back on track.

I'm on hold with the vaccine booking folks now. My letter came today. It sucks that I couldn't book yesterday because now I probably won't get an appointment within the ideal phase of my med schedule. I'll book what I can and figure things out from there
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I do know they changes some of who is eligible when it comes to primary immunodeficiencies, still though, there are people who aren't included as I think it's those with B cell deficiencies who are in but not T cell ones (originally it was only both I believe) which is ridiculous when those on steroids like prednisone are in. The data actually shows steroids and biologicals aren't issues like were first concerns. So someone can be lacking an important part of the immune system and not be included, but someone who is just on a medication that suppresses it a bit, but is still function is.

Also BCs phone/online system came out after here and the issues seemed worse than what went on here, so with those things I put it lower. The letter aspect too.

For AB -
I think it would be good actually if they didn't open phase 2B to the honour system so quickly, but I think they also should not be allowing people in earlier because they start making appointments - that's not what the system needs right now. So I agree with the honour system to catch the rest, but it could have come secondary to those who have current proof without a doctor visit. It's an improvement I would have done but I also don't know of a province that has managed that.
 
Ugh and that's my worry, if a healthy person gets that sore from it, what's my immune system going to do?
 
ChemGal said:
Ugh and that's my worry, if a healthy person gets that sore from it, what's my immune system going to do?
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Older people don’t get a strong reaction, so maybe the reaction in young people is so strong because they have a healthier immun system, and older ones/ compromised ones are slower?
 
BetteTheRed said:
I think the whole vaccination thing is clusterf*** of epic proportions, but I'm flinging blame around a bit more freely. I'd say the feds have done no worse than the PC would have. Given that all you're "in charge of" is the health act, and given our very limited R&D/drug manufacturing facilities (thank you again, Brian Mulroney for selling off Connaught), I'm not exactly sure what expectations are of the feds. I think the provinces have been very uneven, but I'd point to the Maritimes and BC as being slightly ahead of the pack in org skills, although Northwind's experiences with "snail mail" drops them considerably in my estimation (Bonnie Henry has been a pretty smart public servant leader during this), and the two cons - Ford and Kenney, as being slightly below par.
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It is all about the efficiency chimera ... word for a monster we are told does not exist in the monster's aye ... I say aeh to that! Thus it slips by as Freudian item of psychosis ... chocolate irony!

Then in organized administration according to protocol much a' Din ... the lesser folk must not see through the cloud presented as reality!
 
Mrs.Anteater said:
Older people don’t get a strong reaction, so maybe the reaction in young people is so strong because they have a healthier immun system, and older ones/ compromised ones are slower?
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I have heard that theory before but not sure if it has been tested.
 
At the senior assisted living residence I'm familiar with the folks showed lethargy, sleepiness and generally unwell symptoms from day 2 to day 5 post second dose of Moderna. I'm 60 and felt a general body fog and chills- like a mild hangover - on day 3. Not a strong reaction - just something to be aware of.
 
Old folk do get lethargic about the same old things ... then some are immune to the lethargy due to excess hormones that make them edgy ... causing JLS and other shaky conditions, tremors ... insecurity about the unknown ... and yet determined not to learn of aliens material ... redacted to immaterial!

Thus some are about to take off in a shot as missal ... so said ... gone! Makes grand poetry ... degraded to prose ...
 
Mrs.Anteater said:
Older people don’t get a strong reaction, so maybe the reaction in young people is so strong because they have a healthier immun system, and older ones/ compromised ones are slower?
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My immune system overreacts though. Allergies HAE asthma evzema psoriasis etc. aren't due to under reacting.
 
Some information on the blood clots:
These are rare cases – around 20 million people in the UK and EEA had received the vaccine as of March 16 and EMA had reviewed only 7 cases of blood clots in multiple blood vessels (disseminated intravascular coagulation, DIC) and 18 cases of CVST.
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www.ema.europa.eu

COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca: benefits still outweigh the risks despite possible link to rare blood clots with low blood platelets | European Medicines Agency (EMA)

www.ema.europa.eu www.ema.europa.eu

For cases of CVST linked to the AstraZeneca vaccine in Europe, the leading hypothesis is that these few patients may be experiencing an autoimmune reaction. Two teams of researchers in Germany and Norway said they had identified an autoantibody called heparin platelet factor 4 antibody that may be involved in CVST's development.

Heparin platelet 4 antibody causes heparin-induced thrombocytopenia (HIT), in which heparin paradoxically activates platelets, leading to platelet depletion and clotting. HIT is a well-known but rare complication of heparin use that develops in about 1%-2% of patients. Some patients who have never been exposed to heparin can also have this autoantibody.
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This article also discusses ITP - immune thrombocytopenic purpura, which is another autoimmune condition where the antibodies attack platelets and has been seen after the mRNA vaccines.

www.medpagetoday.com

Vaccines and Rare Clotting Disorders: What's the Link?

Causal relation appears possible, but evidence still indicates it's extremely rare
www.medpagetoday.com www.medpagetoday.com
 
It is odd that the cases are all in one area of Europe. Batch? Something I the previous vaccines given in germany? So many given in the UK with no issue. The logic of it is strange

i had it, happy to be half done in the 60-64 group. Please come before it expires!

did you read that a couple of retired doctors are threatening a suit? They signed a consent for vaccine and got a three week second dose date. All the paper work signed. So it is a breach of contract perhaps?

also an interesting column about what guarantees has the government given drug companies in order to do this. Has the government taken in all the liability for an issue that the drug companies would normally have?

trudeau just needs to be upfront about this. The lack of info adds to all the confusion, doubt and worry
 
Lastpointe said:
It is odd that the cases are all in one area of Europe. Batch? Something I the previous vaccines given in germany? So many given in the UK with no issue. The logic of it is strange

i had it, happy to be half done in the 60-64 group. Please come before it expires!

did you read that a couple of retired doctors are threatening a suit? They signed a consent for vaccine and got a three week second dose date. All the paper work signed. So it is a breach of contract perhaps?

also an interesting column about what guarantees has the government given drug companies in order to do this. Has the government taken in all the liability for an issue that the drug companies would normally have?

trudeau just needs to be upfront about this. The lack of info adds to all the confusion, doubt and worry
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I think a fair bit of it is numbers, the US hasn't used the AstraZeneca vaccine outside of clinical trials, and we've only used a relatively small number of doses here.

I did read about seniors who were threatening a lawsuit, not doctors. That's not an issue here, Alberta stuck with the consent agreements, 21-28 days for those in the early stages, then 42 days for anyone who booked prior to March 10.
 
Got my vaccine today at a hospital based clinic where I qualified. It was extremely well organized and very quick.

Received it 8 hours ago and so far, so good.

After last year's flu shot for seniors, I had a massive headache which started about 8 hours later. Vomiting was involved
 
Inukshuk said:
At the senior assisted living residence I'm familiar with the folks showed lethargy, sleepiness and generally unwell symptoms from day 2 to day 5 post second dose of Moderna. I'm 60 and felt a general body fog and chills- like a mild hangover - on day 3. Not a strong reaction - just something to be aware of.
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That doesn't sound like good news! I got my first dose of Moderna this morning. It was all very efficient and safe plus being cheered by the usual SK friendliness.
 
I just sounds like something to be prepped for, to me. Did Hubby get his shot same day? Maybe chicken noodle soup on the menu for Saturday....
 
Would be interesting to see what the delivery dates are, not just what's expected each week. Per capita, Alberta is at the bottom and with the greatest percent used, ON is reported as having over 20% more per capita, and that's not from a shipment today.
I'm hoping the pharmacies offering it will be able to expand on schedule.
 
A person in an inlaws family is very much a anti-covid, anti-mask, anti-vaxxer person as is his spouse They are people who shares and believe in the misinformation. Proudly says as they walks into stores, I don't wear masks. Sends their kid to school withougett mask.

The wife was a PSW, and wouldn't comply to requirements.
She got a job in a hospital.
She refuses to wear a mask.
She refuses to get vaccinated.
She is protected and it's "ok".

Do you think she should be able to not be vaccinated?


Another family person works in vaccination clinic.
One vaccinator has been offered the vaccine three times (at end of shift when consuming leftover in bottle). Each time she said no, and the last time admitted that she did not want to be vaccinated.
Should she be allowed to work at a vaccination clinic?
 
JayneWonders said:
A person in an inlaws family is very much a anti-covid, anti-mask, anti-vaxxer person as is his spouse They are people who shares and believe in the misinformation. Proudly says as they walks into stores, I don't wear masks. Sends their kid to school withougett mask.

The wife was a PSW, and wouldn't comply to requirements.
She got a job in a hospital.
She refuses to wear a mask.
She refuses to get vaccinated.
She is protected and it's "ok".

Do you think she should be able to not be vaccinated?


Another family person works in vaccination clinic.
One vaccinator has been offered the vaccine three times (at end of shift when consuming leftover in bottle). Each time she said no, and the last time admitted that she did not want to be vaccinated.
Should she be allowed to work at a vaccination clinic?
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Would she also refuse a ventilator in ICU?
 
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