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Lastpointe said:
It’s an interesting thought though. People who are asymptomatic. When you get the flu shot they want to ensure you are well
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Yes and if you do have symptoms you would receive an antiviral like Tamiflu instead of the flu shot...which basically shortens your symptoms by one day if started within 24 hours of symptoms. Also Tamiflu has its own adverse affects too.
I remember years ago, I think it was 2005, people got sick in Ontario care homes and died from influenza A...Tamiflu was used.... if i remember right, the vaccine that year did not include influenza A antibodies.
 
ChemGal said:
Ideally, without testing how pre-symptomatic individuals do with the vaccine it would at least be ideal to test to at least know who had the virus to at least get that data. Other than suspected exposures though I don't think that will happen.
We do give vaccines as post-exposure treatment - rabies, tetanus come to mind, there are likely others. So it's possible it could still help.
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On another note rabies and tetanus are not a corona virus are they? Wouldnt a Covid vaccine be more similar to a coronavirus vaccine scenario? Not exactly but similar?
 
Waterfall said:
On another note rabies and tetanus are not a corona virus are they? Wouldnt a Covid vaccine be more similar to a coronavirus vaccine scenario? Not exactly but similar?
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Yes, but I'm not aware of any studies done with any coronavirus vaccines regarding post-exposure. Doesn't mean there aren't any, but I would guess probably just small sample sizes/animals if so.
 
i wonder if the priority should be those who are NOT practicing good covid social distancing.
Give it to those who are at the bars -- you want to come into the bar -- get your vaccine.
Give it to those who live in large households that work in the service industry -- higher probability of exposure and spread
Give it to PSWs who work in long term care or seniors homes .
Get the numbers down by vaccinating the populations that are getting it more frequently
 
Pinga said:
i wonder if the priority should be those who are NOT practicing good covid social distancing.
Give it to those who are at the bars -- you want to come into the bar -- get your vaccine.
Give it to those who live in large households that work in the service industry -- higher probability of exposure and spread
Give it to PSWs who work in long term care or seniors homes .
Get the numbers down by vaccinating the populations that are getting it more frequently
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PSWs are going to be one of the top priorities from what I heard. I don't agree with making those who go to bars a high priority. Fine those not following guidelines is my opinion - exceptions to people like those with dementia wandering or something.
 
On another note, I perceive the next challenge will be around conversations regarding "have you been vaccinated?".

I get folks such as @ChemGal who, due to other conditions, may need to be protected by the herd, rather than taking the vaccine.
Somehow, I don't think that @ChemGal would be offended if I asked her if she had been vaccinated. She would likely respond, "no, due to underlying conditions".

I asked someone, on Facebook, if they would be getting vaccinated , and if they would have their children vaccinated.
I got resoundingly stomped on by their friends. This person has been going to a church with traditional perspectives on the role of women, and has been sharing misinformation re covid, but usually, she & I can have a decent conversation. The vitriol that came at me due to asking, was shocking to me. Ended up responding to a few, being clear, just asking the question, and, well, before I knew it she had blocked me. Still surprised by it.

So, it made me realize. If I want to have people over, I am going to be asking "have you been vaccinated". If you choose not to answer you won't be welcome. I wonder, though, will some say they have, but, not be? will there be some form of tracking or evidence that you got vaccinated.

Most workplaces can't ask, at least not in the US, if you have been vaccinated. What does this mean for the service industry? I believe that those in healthcare do need to show proof of vaccinations.
 
If you and your family are vaccinated, why would the vaccination status of a visitor concern you?

I guess the concern would be for infants/people who cannot be vaccinated?
 
@BetteTheRed , no vaccine is 100% . In addition, there will be a period when only some people will be vaccinated.
Given that, I can see that the knowledge of "have you been vaccinated yet", will become an important part of group gatherings.
 
There have been no trials of any of the vaccines for children.....some are just starting that now.
Not sure how you recruit kids for something trials....parent's permission only or do the children themselves have to agree. Or are they focusing on institutionalized children? Reserves? I believe reserves are going to be at the top of the line for vaccines(adults), hopefully it's not a case of us "testing" under the guise of "saving".
I don't know....anyone?
 
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Another thing, how does everyone feel about the army giving Covid 19 vaccines?
We've never had to do this with other vaccines, why is the army being used now? I'm pretty sure, for many of those in the army, this will be a quick training session on how to give someone a flu shot.....in fact a flu shot that will require more expertise in how it is handled. Sure there will be some trained for this type of work, but not the majority....we already have nurses and doctors in place for giving flu shots.
 
And the UK has become the first Western country to pull the trigger on a vaccine. Pfizer has received emergency use authorization there.

U.K. approves Pfizer coronavirus vaccine for emergency use | CBC News

Waterfall said:
There have been no trials of any of the vaccines for children.....some are just starting that now.
Not sure how you recruit kids for something like this....parent's permission only or do the children themselves have to agree.
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Not sure, but other vaccines have been tested in children at some point so the protocols must exist both for the companies and the regulators. It needs to be done and done soon, though. Else children become a reservoir where it can hide and mutate, or someone I read suggested.
 
Part of the army being involved in vaccine distribution is logistics.

You have a full force that is able to handle the transportation, security, crowd control.
You also have trained medical professionals and those who are able to handle admininistration, and so on.

I'd much rather use them as an addition to standard groups, then I would pulling people from active health care roles
 
Pinga said:
@BetteTheRed , no vaccine is 100% . In addition, there will be a period when only some people will be vaccinated.
Given that, I can see that the knowledge of "have you been vaccinated yet", will become an important part of group gatherings.
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The regular flu shot that we are all familiar with, has an efficacy rate of 45% for 2020, and of course many people don't get the vaccine. The flu vaccine has not performed well over the last 30 years for the elderly.

I'm a little skeptical of the Covid vaccine having such a high efficacy rate claimed right off the bat.
95% seems very high to me, especially having not been tested properly.
 
Pinga said:
Part of the army being involved in vaccine distribution is logistics.

You have a full force that is able to handle the transportation, security, crowd control.
You also have trained medical professionals and those who are able to handle admininistration, and so on.

I'd much rather use them as an addition to standard groups, then I would pulling people from active health care roles
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Good points.
Do we know how many are trained medical professionals? I mean we're talking about flu shots being given in every rural area, towns and cities in the country.
 
Mendalla said:
And the UK has become the first Western country to pull the trigger on a vaccine. Pfizer has received emergency use authorization there.

U.K. approves Pfizer coronavirus vaccine for emergency use | CBC News



Not sure, but other vaccines have been tested in children at some point so the protocols must exist both for the companies and the regulators. It needs to be done and done soon, though. Else children become a reservoir where it can hide and mutate, or someone I read suggested.
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I seem to recall reading years ago about third world countries being used as "testing" grounds for new vaccines .....but I can't seem to find any of those articles, have you ever heard of that or anyone?
 
Mendalla said:
And the UK has become the first Western country to pull the trigger on a vaccine. Pfizer has received emergency use authorization there.

U.K. approves Pfizer coronavirus vaccine for emergency use | CBC News



Not sure, but other vaccines have been tested in children at some point so the protocols must exist both for the companies and the regulators. It needs to be done and done soon, though. Else children become a reservoir where it can hide and mutate, or someone I read suggested.
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I just heard the UK will start giving the Pfizer vaccine next week.
 
Pinga said:
I'd much rather use them as an addition to standard groups, then I would pulling people from active health care roles
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Have we had to pull people from health care roles for the regular flu shot?
I'm aware that we've had a shortage of flu vaccines but haven't heard of a shortage of doctors, nurses, pharmacists giving them.
 
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