Bible Study Thread: Luke

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Indeed the text tells us Martha was distracted and worried about many things. It does not even say she was preparing a meal although this is often assumed to be the case. It does not specify she was busy with household chores either so we just don't know exactly what she was doing.

Jesus states that Mary has chosen the better part and this will not be taken away from her. Listening to Jesus was the right thing to do at that moment. What happened next? We simply don't know . . . maybe the 3 of them got moving and prepared dinner together. :cool:
 
And why did Jesus even need to pray if He is God Incarnate? This has always puzzled me but I am inclined to think it was the human nature of Jesus that needed prayer.
Because He isnt God but annointed and chosen by God for Gods purpose.
 
But here is the thing ---if it is a Myth then the Born Again people have lost nothing by doing and believing what the Bible says about being Born Again and the Resurrection of Christ ------

Unless you've chosen the wrong God, in which case you're even more screwed than an Atheist.

This is only one of many reasons Pascal's Wager is such a pathetic failure.
 
BetteTheRed -----Your Quote -----I'm suggesting that through the lens of modern medicine, this child has epilepsy, not a demon.

unsafe says ----Well I think the Spiritual lens of God's Word definitely says that this Son was demon possessed ---in His ancient time -----

Can't get any plainer than this ----------- 39 Whenever a spirit takes control of him, he shrieks, goes into convulsions, and foams at the mouth. After a struggle, the spirit goes away, leaving the child worn out. 40 I begged your disciples to force the spirit out of him, but they couldn’t do it.”

Exactly... a primitive description written by people who didn't know about epilepsy, and claimed to be speaking for God.
 
Todays Scripture

Luke 11:1-4 AMP

Instruction about Prayer
11 It happened that while Jesus was praying in a certain place, after He finished, one of His disciples said to Him, “Lord, teach us to pray just as John also taught his disciples.”

2 He said to them, “When you pray, say:
‘Father, hallowed be Your name.
Your kingdom come.
3
‘Give us each day our daily bread.
4
‘And forgive us our sins,
For we ourselves also forgive everyone who is indebted to us [who has offended or wronged us].And lead us not into temptation but rescue us from evil].’”


unsafe says ----This Prayer was given to the Disciples as a model or pattern to Pray ------We must remember here that Jesus is still alive and the Law is still in place -----so animal sacrifices are still in place to cover sin here ----so this is a before the Cross example of how to pattern prayer -----

The beginning of the Prayer starts with Father ----well we see that only people who truly followed Jesus would use Father in their prayer -----as anyone who rejected Jesus was not seen as a Follower of Jesus ------and therefore was away from God --

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The Greek word for Father here in this scripture -----

Strong's Concordance
patér: a father

3962 /patḗr ("father") is used of our heavenly Father. He imparts life, from physical birth to the gift of eternal life through the second birth (regeneration, being born again). Through ongoing sanctification, the believer more and more resembles their heavenly Father – i.e. each time they receive faith from Him and obey it, which results in their unique glorification.


hallowed be Your name.

unsafe says ---this is the Greek word for Hallowed below used in this scripture ----unless your a True follower of Jesus in this Passage ----you wouldn't treat the Father's name as Holy or treat with respect ------and it is the same for today ----unbelievers don't treat God as Holy or with great respect -----


unsafe posting here ---Greek word for hallowed

Strong's Concordance
hagiazó: to make holy, consecrate, sanctify -----treat as holy, set apart as holy, sanctify, hallow, purify. to dedicate, separate"



Your Kingdom come -----What does this really mean in this scripture -----Greek meaning below


Strong's Concordance
basileia: kingdom, sovereignty, royal power

The kingdom (932 /basileía) is constantly used in connection with the rule of Christ in the hearts of believers


unsafe posting -----Greek word for COME in this scripture

Strong's Concordance
erchomai: to come, go
----- more common in future Luke 11:2 to come;



Next verse #3
-----‘Give us each day our daily bread.


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Greek word here for bread is ------
Strong's Concordance
artos: bread, a loaf

740 ártos – properly, bread; (figuratively) divine provision; all the sustenance God supplies to yielded believers scene-by-scene to live in His preferred-will (2307 /thélēma).

As in Greek writings, and like the Hebrew לֶחֶם, food of any kind: Luke 11:3


Verse 4 -----


‘And forgive us our sins,
For we ourselves also forgive everyone who is indebted to us [who has offended or wronged us) .And lead us not into temptation but rescue us from evil


unsafe says -----So we see here in verse 4 ---- that it is asking for God to forgive what trespasses have been done to others and we ourselves will forgive them for what they do to us -----and to lead us away from temptation so no sin is committed --



unsafe says
So here is the thing about this prayer for today -------it is a perfect prayer but what does it mean for us today is the Question -----

I would venture to guess that most people who say this Prayer just mouth the words and have no idea what they are really saying -----to recite a prayer over and over again the words become just words after a time and the meaning is lost -----we say it cause it is the Lord's Prayer -----Praying to God is a HEART issue ---not the words we use ---God already knows what we are going to pray before we pray it ----

As blackbelt1961 had said up thread ---We are to Pray His Will not our will

For True Believers This Prayer really does nothing as Jesus did all He could do for us by and through this Shedding of this Blood and dying on the Cross and being Resurrected ----all is finished -----


God says this ------in Matthew about Prayer

Matthew 6:7 (KJV)
7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.


unsafe posting here --------This is from Got Questions on the Lord's Prayer -----Read all if interested --just posting this section

Question: "What is the Lord's prayer and should we pray it?"


So, again, the Lord’s Prayer is not a prayer we are to memorize and recite back to God. It is only an example of how we should be praying. Is there anything wrong with memorizing the Lord’s Prayer? Of course not! Is there anything wrong with praying the Lord’s Prayer back to God? Not if your heart is in it and you truly mean the words you say. Remember, in prayer, God is far more interested in our communicating with Him and speaking from our hearts than He is in the specific words we use. Philippians 4:6-7 declares, “Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God. And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.”
 
We use the Jim Cotter prayer about every other time we say it on Sunday; 'tis known locally as "Bette's fav". I use it to close the Tuesday Night Progressive group when I'm leading it.

For those who don't know it, and might like to compare it to the very abbreviated version in Luke, here it is:

Eternal Spirit,
Earth-Maker, Pain-bearer, Life-giver,
Source of all that is and that shall be.
Father and Mother of us all,
Loving God, in whom is heaven:

The hallowing of your name echo through the universe!
The way of your justice be followed by people of the world!
Your heavenly will be done by all created beings!
Your commonwealth of peace and freedom sustain our hope and come on earth.

With the bread we need for today, feed us.
In the hurts we absorb from one another, forgive us.
In times of temptation and test, strengthen us.
From trials too great to endure, spare us.
From the grip of all that is evil, free us.

For you reign in the glory of the power that is love, now and forever. Amen.
 
Summary: Luke 11: 5 - 13

Jesus speaks of persisting in prayer. He compares it to going to a friend at midnight to ask for the loan of three loaves of bread. The friend initially says not to bother him but eventually agrees to get up out of bed if you are persistent.

Ask and it will be given. Search and you will find. Knock and the door will be opened.

Is there anyone who would give a snake to a child asking for a fish? Or a scorpion if the child asks for an egg?

If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will the heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask!
 
Reflection: Luke 11: 5 -13

What are we to make of Jesus referring to people as evil? Is Jesus exaggerating the difference between human beings and God?

Interesting that the generosity of the Father is in giving the Holy Spirit to those who ask.

And bread has reappeared. The disciples have just been instructed in the Lord's Prayer (give us this day our daily bread). Earlier we had the miracle of the loaves and fishes.

Looking up the story, I see the feeding of the 5000 appears in all four gospels. But the feeding of the 4000 is only in Matthew and Mark.

There is a version of today's text in Matthew with some differences in the two accounts.
 
Bread is frequently mentioned in the Bible, especially in the Gospels. This was brought home to me by a former minister who would organize 'bread days' at our church.
He would notify the congregation that he would be making bread on such and such a day and would appreciate anyone who wanted to drop in to help you for an hour or morning or clean up around noon. No need to sign up; just show up then on the designated day he would have the ingredients ready in bulk and around 730 or 8 AM he and anybody else who showed up we began mixing the first batch. If and when other people showed up, he would begin another batch - and another. And while we stirred, kneaded, and shaped the dough into loaves or rolls, he would talk about Jesus breaking the bread and sharing with his disciples, or the multitudes, for Zacchaeus, or with others – and Jesus teaching about feeding the hungry in a land where many were hungry and malnourished. And as the bread was finished baking, it would be set out on tables in the gym and anyone who wanted, whether they had worked all morning or just dropped in, could take a loaf and use it as they wished. Some may take might take a loaf out onto the sidewalk and give it to a panhandler, or take it for a shut-in member of the congregation, or a neighbour, or just take it home themselves for their dinner. We called it the Ministry of bread.
Making bread reminds me of Jesus sharing our lives when he lived among us..
 
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