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Carolla said:
I believe the change that Lastpointe referred to is in regard to Sheltered Workshops closing subsequent to the change in Ontario minimum wage legislation. These are usually run by not-for-profit organizations - such as Community Living - to provide structure, social opportunities, respite for parents/caregivers. They are staffed by workers who teach & supervise the workers/clients who are not able to obtain competitive market jobs due to the impact of their disabilities. These are 'social service' agencies in that respect, not free market employers. No employers are getting 'welfare money' that I know of. So this differs from programmes that support those who can work in the general job market.

My prior employer, a public hospital, employed a handful of employees who have intellectual disabilities - they were initially trained & supported by staff from the local Community Living agency. I don't know what wage was paid to them - but they worked usual hours, rec'd benefits, etc.
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If they weren't receiving min wage, that's in effect, a orkhius/poirhou
Carolla said:
Even when it's set up by their parents?
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why not?
 
Mendalla said:
And I don't think employers are, or should be, social services. Social services need to be delivered by government at some level. Provincial funding with local administration perhaps makes the most sense since local authorities probably know the situation on the ground better than the more remote, centralized provincial ones.
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Almost all social "services" are privatized and outsourced to both not for profit and for profit businesses now anyway. Employment services definately is. Employers in the free market need to get responsible and involved with the inclusiveness and well being of all their staff or else more responsibility and funding needs to go back into creating government departments to manage the programs and develop more rules to ensure it.
 
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Wage subsidies do mean that the government portion goes to the employer to pay the employee. I have knowledge and experience with it. So, yes, technically the businesses are getting the "welfare" (public) dollars to do it. But there is only so much funding allotted every year for subsidies. One way or the other there needs to be ways for people with disabilities - and especially those who have higher needs like developmental disabilities - to have support to have an adequate standard of living and meaningful vocation.

A greeter/ cart collector with a disability should make the same as a cashier. It reflects well on the business - to most public - anyway. Unless they're really prejudiced.
 
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Northwind said:
No. It's a training program generally.
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A permanent training program?

I once worked for a great agency. It was one that provided a specialized training program. It was one of my first (temp) jobs in a social services related field. The clients had low IQ/ developmental disabilities. My job was to train a young woman in the stock room of a clothing store, on how to organize and put price tags on the clothes (which the manager showed both of us the first day). It was incredibly rewarding to see her progress. The problem was that it was seasonal, and once the season was over and the subsidy was up, she was not hired. And she was back in the program trying all over again. Because she wouldn’t be able to run the cash register. But she worked really hard, and the point of that program was to “carve” real jobs for people. Employers took advantage of the free incentive/ labour and training support a lot of the time.

In another job, the clients had disabilities of all types and degrees. My job was mostly writing resumes, teaching pre-developed basic workshops, and monitoring the computer room - walking around providing really basic computer support, like how to send an email. I provided support to the counsellors. Clients would often get pushed into inappropriate jobs, or without the training mentoring they needed to get off to a better start - like the other program had - because it wasn’t part of the mandate - then they would be back through the door in short order. I remember at a staff meeting, a counsellor discussing genuine concern about a client who had not been successful in 3 job placements in as many months, or less. The manager said, “That’s okay. We’ll take him back and get more ‘stats’.” I’m floored but I can’t say anything (I really didn’t like that environment). So, each time the agency - some are for profit, some are non-profit that behave like corporate businesses with ‘surpluses’ instead of profit - performs a service, I.e. an appointment with a client for this or that, or a client taking a workshop, the agency bills a fee for service to the government and gets paid. Whether the outcome is successful for the client or not. And there are incentives arranged between them and various companies to hire clients...but not enough honest to goodness focus on the clients’ well being. It’s the private sector benefitting the most, off of marginalized clients. Especially when they are allowed to pay less or when they get wage subsidy funding.

I don’t want to go back into the field unless its ethics change.
 
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Mendalla said:
She seems to be under the impression that law is the only constraint on what we pay our non-union workers. Which completely ignores market conditions. Even leaving aside skills and assuming we are only looking at unskilled, you have to pay what the market will support. If other, comparable businesses are paying $3 higher than minimum, then I have to pay it, too. Especially if there is a labour shortage.
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I think what’s being conveniently ignored, is the dynamic you mention is actually what’s going on at the top, allocating a lot more money at the top since late 90s - creating an excuse to pay, and otherwise compensate, entry level and non-specialized employees the bare minimum according to weak labour standards put in place by decades of “NeoLibCons”. Not to mention, union busting efforts over the same period, have created gains for few but the top dogs.


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In training programs are people indoctrinated on brutal side of humanity?

Does this need to be learned or is it intuitive?

If suffering PTSD ... would there be a buried drive to shaft a perp?

What's a perp.? Something that pops up in blind pair a dice? Get real this is life ...

Sheep fighting for life ...

Have a dog behind them (underneath)! Selkei sprite; hidden in another's kin, as related ...

Is there training to be nice that has a facet in the human gemstone ... a hard act to follow as the stages go ...

Take a turn about dear lamb, everyone needs a share of rest, enjoy the dark ...

Then the lights go out in GEO Ghia!

C'est Fini as terminal Philo? Be the death ohm-E ... Ohm-ish ... Amish ... as the word alters and sways!

Allows the burying of intellect and data ... so its strange to dig ... difficult thoughts for those that cannot follow once in a while ... singularity bi-times!
 
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revjohn said:
Even when it is what is responsible for the persecution?
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Good come round ... gibing ... contrary to the tack less ... equi essence?

Did you know "equi" once had something to do with balance and equivalence?

In a world dedicated to brute powers ... we suffer powerful off-sides ... it may soften in oblivion of rest ... but the past could reappear in a different light ... psychic event?

Then we are taught that psyche just isn't ... non existence? Thus mindless Ness? The dark thing creeps ...
 
Jae said:
Why do I do what I do? I strive to participate in the missio Dei. However, I must also fight my old broken nature. From time to time it still pops out.
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So does a cuckoo clock, with about the same frequency.

Jae said:
My apologies for the times when it does.
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How does an apology work when you're still actively doing the thing you're apologizing for?
 
I'm happy that God is such a powerful force in your fight against your "broken nature". Imagine yourself even more insufferable.
 
Yes, my daughter was a vile child for quite a few of her teenage years. My mother often asked me, in exasperation, "what good does church do her?" I asked Mom what she thought Daughter Worse might look like.
 
BetteTheRed said:
Yes, my daughter was a vile child for quite a few of her teenage years. My mother often asked me, in exasperation, "what good does church do her?" I asked Mom what she thought Daughter Worse might look like.
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I think some religious instruction makes people worse.
 
Perhaps, but not in this case. Church was where one was accepted, warts and all. Church was where LGBTQ people were safe, wherever they were on whatever continuum (one of the kids' best friends was a transwoman who transitioned while attending our youth group, quite progressive a decade ago). Church was a safe haven for her mother as well, the odd time she noticed what a little s**t she was being... She did, however, grow out of church camp, rather young. My son made it through the Counsellor in Training program, but my daughter was a little precocious for it. She's prone to being a bit of a s**t disturber. Some apples don't fall far from the tree, *sigh* She still hangs out at the church a little, although she attends little but Easter and Christmas Eve services, if I'm lucky. She'll clean for them part time if they need help and she's got time. She helps me with Meals on Wheels. She attended a young adults event ("Our Better Selves") that our Youth Minister organized a week or so ago, although she had to leave early to attend an open mic night at a downtown lounge in which she hangs out. She recommends it to her friends if they feel the need to have a baby baptized (yes, she's getting to that part of life where her friends are having children, while she's still finishing school). It continues to fill a small niche in her life, and has been a constant ever since those frightful years.

What is extremely hard on teenagers, particularly those who are psychologically a little prone to fragility to start with, is divorce. Two people are better than one. I was lucky to have my Mom to help for a few years, although she had issues of her own, lol.

But some church instruction, yes. Particularly that which makes a child feel "less than" because of some part of their being. I really like my next door neighbour's Mom, who I take to bible study every week. However, her "regular church" is a downtown one that focuses very heavily on homelessness/poverty, which is great, but which is also quite homophobic/transphobic in theology, which is not. She doesn't particularly agree with that, but she keeps her mouth shut, because family trumps theology. She lives with her daughter, and her three male grandchildren, all of whom appear to be straight. They love their grandma, and are glad she enjoys our bible study, but are a bit distressed that it's in an Affirming Church. I'm sure parading through downtown on a haywagon covered with rainbows and banners announcing participating United Churches didn't help.
 
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