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Northwind said:
So now you're justifying your behaviour and one-upping. You are also interpreting some things in an interesting way. (ie not listening to what the poor neo-nazis have to say - no one has said that) Okay.
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I'm not one upping any more than you do, Northwind. I am attempting to defend myself.

No, but censoring them means I don't want to listen to them. I'm not alone in that. And I was told that I need to understand their perspective better or something like that. No. No I don't.
 
Kimmio said:
And I was told that I need to understand their perspective better or something like that. No. No I don't.
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And what about trying to understand the views of other posters in here? I'm guessing you don't need to do that either.
 
Not when they're prefaced with insults and one-ups and even threatening sounding hyperbolic attacks.

I have to go. I have to find better people to spend my time with. This place is a soul sucking vacuum. My loved ones are noticing that I'm more tearful and withdrawn. And the only logical reason I have for that is this place. It's not good for me. But that's not all because of me.

I'll say it again. a**holes do not own the Internet.
 
And how judgmental is it of you, kimmio, to decide who is an a**hole, and who is not? What about the majority of us who are a**holes part-time?

Canada's hate speech laws specifically restrict speech that could reasonably be interpreted to be advocating violence against a group of people based on an identifiable characteristic. It's actually fairly specific and a "white supremacy" rally would not, automatically, violate hate speech laws, especially not before it happened, because you can't, realistically, ban something based on something someone MIGHT do.
 
a**holes. Do not own the Internet. My new mantra. Bye for now. I really have to spend more quality time. This place is a bully pulpit of sorts. If anyone wants a**hole training...here's the place. I don't even want to be a part-time a**hole.
 
BetteTheRed said:
And how judgmental is it of you, kimmio, to decide who is an a**hole, and who is not? What about the majority of us who are a**holes part-time?

Canada's hate speech laws specifically restrict speech that could reasonably be interpreted to be advocating violence against a group of people based on an identifiable characteristic. It's actually fairly specific and a "white supremacy" rally would not, automatically, violate hate speech laws, especially not before it happened, because you can't, realistically, ban something based on something someone MIGHT do.
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The closest speech that anyone has said here that would fall into a category of hate speech was what a poster said to me - accusing my defense of the protection of disability rights as some sort of reason that might incite harm against said group of people. I have never once advocated harm - exactly the opposite, always - but this person decided to twist logic to justify why I made him feel like harming - his own frustration with my posting style - then went fishing for agreement. I accept that it was hyperbole. Without an apology. Not necessarily everyone would take it that way - including visitors. Not everybody is familiar with "pleasant enough" chansen. So it was deleted. It was abusive. But not one person came my defence and said that was out of line - he got no penalty. Instead, I was told I needed to listen to him more carefully. That has taught me something - and I don't really listen to his point of view at all. He's still blocked so I see him post less unless I'm not signed in or I override it because I'm missing something in the overall conversation. What it has taught me is how easily bullying and victim blaming can happen. I don't want be be caught up on either end of it thanks.

I notice the yardstick moves. I mean, those comments got swept aside but Northwind can get offended easily and have defenders. I have half a dozen people criticizing me at once - piling on. I'm in tears (and tears from emotional abuse is not 'my' problem - it's normal). And it goes on and on. I try defend myself and it gets worse. It's absolutely awful. If you people are happy with this nasty culture - have at it.
 
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Kimmio said:
Northwind can get offended easily and have defenders
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My purpose in pointing out where I have been offended is to show you that you can dish it out pretty well too. I can deal with it and do not need defenders. I would expect to be called on anything I do that is out of line.
 
Kimmio
I have defended you time and time here.
I have even written a column dedicated to my apology 2 you
So stop it. Really.
You are again mixing up your own anxiety and fears, they are now a barrier to communication. You have turned people into monsters/outcast.
You are a very good demonstration of how human beings can hallucinate reality; you are loaded with cognitive dissonance and then r *only* using confirmation bias to find info that supports your feelings and ignore info that doesn't fit.
Again this is all aboot you.
You have exhibited mysoginist and racist behaviours here...and yet we dont want to silence you or think you are a horrific person because of it.
You are exhibiting an ingrown lack of a sense of humour.
Again I recommend AS YOUR FRIEND a LONG hiatus from WC. You are causing yourself too much needless anxiety are turning acquaintances "bad people" are not even getting some peoplez pointz here...
Its totally not worth it. So break away from the tv here. Show some of that strength of character and will I know you have.
I took a looong break last time. I was getting 2 myself. So I left. And now I feel better.
Now I'm off to celebrate my bday.
Take care folks and keep up the humour. Part of our Canadian heritage.

LA DI DAH!!!
 
Kimmio, if I were doing a really bad job of defending a cause, would you tell me? Can you think of a cause that I defend that I do badly? If so, please tell me. I'm a little sick of you constantly dragging up chansen's comment.

A bad defense of an issue can do it real harm if it reaches the wrong audience. You have a tendency to get over-emotional, under-rational, and post wildly unfair accusations against people who even try to probe your opinions.

You are not a very good advocate for the disabled. You put people off with your retreats into victimhood. No-one wants to hurt Kimmio's feelings, but we all do, constantly, no matter how nicely we try to disagree. It certainly doesn't do anything except to re-affirm the weightier aspects of total inclusiveness.

So there, I've said the same thing chansen did, but a little differently. Bet it's no better received. And you still haven't explained your "Bette, of all people" comment. As if I'm specifically unsuited to having an opinion...

Finally, yeah, I think you should take a break. You don't seem to be doing very well with even reasonably robust arguments, yet you keep on wading into them.
 
Northwind said:
My purpose in pointing out where I have been offended is to show you that you can dish it out pretty well too. I can deal with it and do not need defenders. I would expect to be called on anything I do that is out of line.
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Well I am pointing out that what you will say is an attack is the exact same thing you call a "disagreement" when 5 or 6 people pile on with smug remarks to me.

I might see a counsellor. I recommend the same to you - maybe you need some self care, and to chansen definately, Bette, Inanna (as my friend, you need Scott Adams de-programming, and it might help Rev John too. And Revsdd, and Jae - sorry if anyone feels left out - heck, why don't we invite a group counsellor.
 
BetteTheRed said:
Kimmio, if I were doing a really bad job of defending a cause, would you tell me? Can you think of a cause that I defend that I do badly? If so, please tell me. I'm a little sick of you constantly dragging up chansen's comment.

A bad defense of an issue can do it real harm if it reaches the wrong audience. You have a tendency to get over-emotional, under-rational, and post wildly unfair accusations against people who even try to probe your opinions.

You are not a very good advocate for the disabled. You put people off with your retreats into victimhood. No-one wants to hurt Kimmio's feelings, but we all do, constantly, no matter how nicely we try to disagree. It certainly doesn't do anything except to re-affirm the weightier aspects of total inclusiveness.

So there, I've said the same thing chansen did, but a little differently. Bet it's no better received. And you still haven't explained your "Bette, of all people" comment. As if I'm specifically unsuited to having an opinion...

Finally, yeah, I think you should take a break. You don't seem to be doing very well with even reasonably robust arguments, yet you keep on wading into them.
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Oh f*** off.

Chansen said I made him want to "kill" people with disabilities and said others would agree. I don't care how bad an advocate I am, that was out of line. There was no good reason for that that is defensible.
 
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