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revjohn said:
I don't think the real issue is questioning the President's mental health so much as it is the arm-chair diagnoses unqualified individuals happily toss out. Absent the application of appropriate diagnostics by qualified individuals all we have is speculation and it represents a distraction.
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I totally disagree with you simply because the speculation about Trump's mental health is really not diagnostic; it's political. The process is political. Any ultimate decision (were it to be made) would be a political decision made by politicians who would deal with inevitably contradictory opinions from so-called "experts." But, ultimately, the decision would be political - and, thus, not a distraction, because politics is ultimately driven by the views of the people, and like it or not speculation about this is part of the vox populi. Not only is the speculation not a distraction, it is a vital part of the political process by which public opinion is shaped. The decision would be made not on the basis of a diagnosis on whether Trump is mentally ill or not; it would ultimately be made on the basis that Trump is simply too dangerous for whatever reason to be president.

And, I agree with Bette that the decision is not likely to ever be made - unless there is such a popular reaction among voters that Republicans see themselves threatened politically.
 
I think the question becomes why aren't the Republican's questioning Donald Trump's mental fitness? It's pretty plain that there is a disconnect between Trump and reality, and though he has always shown this, it's getting worse. You don't have to diagnose to worry, about the country or the man.

But Trump is just a vehicle at this point. Trump is how the GOP will get their way with tax reform. They will ride him into the grave if they have to, but they are not going to show concern until he collapses or can't make public appearances any more. We're almost at that second one.

Why aren't Republicans concerned? It's in their best interests to pretend he's fine, and ignore the signs. Party first.
 
Inannawhimsey said:
We are more tolerant than other countries
There is always room for improvement; we should praise what we do well as well as be able to watch and for our failures

I was pointing out that map to help Kimmio with her assertion that airing hate in the US hasn't helped...

What Graeme was pointing out there doesn't invalidate the map. Most countries in the world have been conqured and enslaved and had their histories rewritten multiple times. I remember my Soviet friend recalling tales of the racism just between people living in Moscow and living just outside of Moscow. Bizarre :3

And remember we arent talking aboot people being bad, we're talking aboot behaviours (which includes cultures and beliefs...).


I gotz the map originally from here A fascinating map of the world’s most and least racially tolerant countries
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As an outsider to civilized socialism ... I find those claiming membership bazaar ... part of the marketplace designed to amuse the gods ... a whole Pantheon ... as gathered in as sol ... that spatial tunnel ... an alien mine?
 
chansen said:
I think the question becomes why aren't the Republican's questioning Donald Trump's mental fitness? It's pretty plain that there is a disconnect between Trump and reality, and though he has always shown this, it's getting worse. You don't have to diagnose to worry, about the country or the man.

But Trump is just a vehicle at this point. Trump is how the GOP will get their way with tax reform. They will ride him into the grave if they have to, but they are not going to show concern until he collapses or can't make public appearances any more. We're almost at that second one.

Why aren't Republicans concerned? It's in their best interests to pretend he's fine, and ignore the signs. Party first.
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We don't have to worry the diagnosis ... for the authorities won't allow input from lesser forces or we folk as divine in our politic ... this being defined by field theory that separates us do to our late shining nature ... neigh shun allowed in the abstract glow?

Tis stupendous to see how some succeed in the Shadows ... a great place to look-out!

The party fest goes on and on ...
 
Mental health problems precede a diagnosis. It's pretty clear to over half the country that something isn't right upstairs and there'd need to be Republican consensus on that to remove him. It's a call about his "fitness to lead" that they'd be making. I don't know if they need a diagnosis to make it. I'm not sure why all this unhinged chaos he's creating in the WH and the world is something several of them are still fine with. It's not making America look good, or particularly strong.
 
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So far, there hasn't been an opposing group of psychiatrists who've done that. There's been many concerned citizens trying to encourage their representatives to take it seriously. Right now, it's more like a petition and a protest letter. It may not go far.
However, James Clapper's interview shook up a lot of people, with his concerns. Maybe things are slowly moving in the 25th amendment direction. Or, impeachment. The Russia thing is getting intense... It must be putting strain on his health...mental and physical. He might do a Nixon and quit.

That would be the best face-saving move he could make.
 
Jae said:
When I first read your link title, I felt a group of psychologists had actually appeared before Congress to address the state of President Trump's mental health. Turns out that isn't the case. Rather, a group of them have simply written a letter to Congress. You do realize that an opposing group could just write a letter of their own.
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How oppressive do you expect it to be received?

Don't take it too seriously tho' ... life is temporal compared to the eternal ...
 
Luce NDs said:
How oppressive do you expect it to be received?
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The letter that was sent is, I feel, a political move made by a group of liberal psychologists who are out to discredit the President. What I hope is that it will be seen only as a reflection that not everyone in America is in favor of the Trump presidency - but then, that is well known already.
 
Pontifex Geronimo 13 said:
Have you seen Trump rallies? He looks real nervous!
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I saw his speech the other night. I thought he looked tired and wondered if he was sick. His breath sounded a bit raspy, and his voice hoarse. Of course, that could be from talking too much. He just had a frail edge to him, which is unlike the man who has always been larger than life.
 
I watched the first one, and felt like I'd been shouted at for 6 minutes. However, the panel on CNN did point to the fact that at least a sample of 6 Americans are willing to be civil to each other, despite different opinions. It appears that media on both the identified left and right are guilty of some fanning of the flames of division.
 
BetteTheRed said:
I watched the first one, and felt like I'd been shouted at for 6 minutes. However, the panel on CNN did point to the fact that at least a sample of 6 Americans are willing to be civil to each other, despite different opinions. It appears that media on both the identified left and right are guilty of some fanning of the flames of division.
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Among the so-called "left wing" media, I only watch CNN, and I've long been critical of them for sensationalizing their coverage of Trump. There's hardly even a pretext of presenting unbiased news. I've heard that among cable networks, MSNBC is even more rabidly anti-Trump. I don't generally watch news coverage on the main American networks and don't really hear much about them.

But you're right - both sides of the spectrum are being divisive and are outrageously spinning everything that happens so that it's actually hard to know what's really happening.

Those who follow CNN are convinced that CNN is truth and FOX is fake. Those who follow FOX are convinced that FOX is true and CNN is fake. No one seems willing to acknowledge that the truth probably lies somewhere between the two extremes because everyone has become convinced that the version of truth they believe is the only truth that there is and actually represents indisputable facts.

News coverage in the US right now is not unlike a religious debate between opposing sides on the theological spectrum.
 
I watch neither on TV. I catch news stories in the headlines that are occasionally CNN. I pay no attention to Fox except some of Shep Smith's commentary which, again, is usually in the headlines.
 
When we were in Jamaica ten years ago, the only thing on TV was Fox News and CNN. We did not spend much time watching TV, and it was only on in the mornings generally. It struck me that there was very little difference between the two. At least as far as I could see. When news becomes entertainment, it needs to be sensationalized. I avoid American news as much as possible.
 
BetteTheRed said:
Yes, my 'normal' filter is the CBC. I find it much easier to digest than either side of commercial media.
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The CBC, in my opinion, is pretty much in line with CNN. I watch the National sometimes, and I feel it's pretty easy for me to spot their bias. My recollection is that during the American election they were largely covering Trump as CNN was - a bit less extreme, sure, but not by much.
 
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