TRUMP - Some people think......... How do you feel?

[Delightful Life]

Hmmmmmm

"But when you start seeing ad hominem attacks that offer no reasons at all, that might be a sign that people in the mass hysteria bubble don’t understand what is wrong with your point of view except that it sounds more sensible than their own."

Scott Adams' Blog

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Scott Adams' Blog

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

That's Whitney Phillips' opinion. I largely disagree. "Don't feed the trolls" is not analogous to "blame the victim" in cases of rape. I actually find that comparison offensive and demeaning to rape victims. Instead, it's roughly analogous to "don't feed the bears." Feeding bears is stupid. So is feeding trolls. If people keep giving the bears/trolls what they want - which is either food in the case of bears or angry and outraged responses in the case of trolls - then both will continue to come around.

I'd be happy enough with Phillips suggestion of just deleting trolling comments. But if I started to do that I'd probably be denounced as a power hungry tyrant. Or something like that.

Hmm. Well I don't think all "trolling" is equally psychologically harmful. We all have our triggers but even hyperbole that is threatening is kind of where I draw the line. Internet trolls are not wild animals.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

This is not about Adams. It is about ad hominem attacks.......

Of course it is. I'm not wasting my time reading his words.

 

[Northwind]

Well...in Canada those neo-nazis would not be given a permit and they'd be arrested if they did that.

And I think sites dedicated to groups promoting hate should be shut down by the host sites.

When would that stop? What about censorship?

 

[Northwind]

Of course it is. I'm not wasting my time reading his words.

And you are resorting to ad hominem attacks.....

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

And you are resorting to ad hominem attacks.....

I'm saying exactly why I don't like Scott Adams.

 

[Northwind]

I'm saying exactly why I don't like Scott Adams.

And you have attacked me for agreeing with some of what he says. You have accused me of not following the SW code of ethics. I consider that an ad hominem attack.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

When would that stop? What about censorship?

Okay...so a**holes should own the Internet and be able to traumatize and brainwash people into hate groups? Where do you draw the line?

a**holes do not own the Internet. I am going to keep using that line.

 

[Northwind]

Okay...so a**holes should own the Internet and be able to traumatize and brainwash people into hate groups? Where do you draw the line?

This is not about me. I am trying to understand your perspective. Where would you draw the line? What about censorship?

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

And you have attacked me for agreeing with some of what he says. You have accused me of not following the SW code of ethics. I consider that an ad hominem attack.

Well...when I read and interpret it I can see places where I don't think you are following it. But, this is your private time. You are nobody's SW here, so you shouldn't have to, I guess. I'm pointing out why I think you've changed in the past 6 months to a year. Your tone and point of view has changed.

I haven't attacked you. I've disagreed with you agreeing with him.

 

[Northwind]

I haven't attacked you. I've disagreed with you agreeing with him.

I have felt attacked.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

This is not about me. I am trying to understand your perspective. Where would you draw the line? What about censorship?

I'd draw the line where Canada draws the line on censoring hate speech.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

I have felt attacked.

Maybe you aren't being attacked you're just being disagreed with.

 

[Northwind]

Maybe you aren't being attacked you're just being disagreed with.

Hardly. I have been told I was wrong, stupid and similar for believing what I do. I have been accused of siding with the oppressor and of essentially being alt-right. I have been accused of not being a good social worker. I have been accused of attacking. I have been called names. That is not disagreement. That's attacking.

 

[Northwind]

I'd draw the line where Canada draws the line on censoring hate speech.

You wanted certain speech banned. That seems to go beyond what is already in place.

 

[BetteTheRed]

But Kimmio, it's not important that you like, or don't like, Scott Adams. He has a very interesting hypothesis about Trump's success thus far (that he is using hypnotic manipulation on his subjects). So far, evidence is pointing towards it being a good one.

As I've said before, you don't have to like Pablo Picasso's sexual ethics in order to be moved to tears by Guernica.

It is not necessary that one approves of a character in totality in order to get some information from their words/art/vision.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

Hardly. I have been told I was wrong, stupid and similar for believing what I do. I have been accused of siding with the oppressor and of essentially being alt-right. I have been accused of not being a good social worker. I have been accused of attacking. I have been called names. That is not disagreement. That's attacking.

I've been told I don't belong on the Internet, that I need to go back to school, that I make people want to "kill" a particular group, but I really should listen to that person rather than dismiss his remarks - that I have no good arguments because I have emotion, that I need to listen to more rational people (as if y'all are), that I am siding with the alt-right if I agree with the fact that there's some violence on the far left that needs to be denounced, that I am also not listening to what the poor neo-nazis have to say, that I should pay more attention to the ramblings of an alt-right darling misogynist cult guru because he's so misunderstood...I could go back and find some dog piles and point out more attacks. But generally, I am defending my pov against a pile-on of people. You are not. It could be a pile-on of people all giving smug advice before I've even signed in that day - which has the cumulative effect to me, the reader, of feeling attacked.

 

[Northwind]

So now you're justifying your behaviour and one-upping. You are also interpreting some things in an interesting way. (ie not listening to what the poor neo-nazis have to say - no one has said that) Okay.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

But Kimmio, it's not important that you like, or don't like, Scott Adams. He has a very interesting hypothesis about Trump's success thus far (that he is using hypnotic manipulation on his subjects). So far, evidence is pointing towards it being a good one.

As I've said before, you don't have to like Pablo Picasso's sexual ethics in order to be moved to tears by Guernica.

It is not necessary that one approves of a character in totality in order to get some information from their words/art/vision.

I won't read him because he doesn't care what his persuasion tactics do to people. He doesn't have morals - he doesn't say "hey wait. My mind screwing techniques are having the impact of attracting Trump supporters who love me. And the more I teach them about Trump's persuasion the more they love Trump too! Maybe this isn't good, what I'm doing." In fact, he seems to be enjoying the attention. He only prizes the success of someone's persuasion, not the morals or ethics.

 

[Jaebius]

First heard of Clinton's book yesterday. Makes me wonder what would have happened if she had turned around.