TRUMP - Some people think......... How do you feel?

[Delightful Life]

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Umm herez anuther one Map shows world's most racist countries (and the answers may surprise you) | Daily Mail Online

 

[BetteTheRed]

or Dilbified.

 

[Northwind]

I just listened to this clip. I guess I knew what has been happening on campuses lately. Having it spelled out like this is horrifying. This is what I mean by bubble wrapping if @Kimmio is interested in understanding. Now I understand (sort of) how I can be accused of supporting racism etc because I question the narrative. It is sad how the word "liberal" has been bastardized in the last couple of years.

Thanks @Inannawhimsey

I tagged @Kimmio in this post originally. I would like to have a response to this. Kimmio, you asked what I mean by bubble wrapping. This man essentially expresses what I feel. Times have changed since I was growing up. I often wonder how kids will ever learn to take appropriate risks or be resilient when everyone is protecting them from imagined harms.

 

[chansen]

or Dilbified.

I hear you, and I think the "b" makes it more obviously a Dilbert reference, but it then falls away from "vilified".

I'm torn.

 

[Northwind]

Oops...darn Washy Post and limited viewing...

Umm herez anuther one Map shows world's most racist countries (and the answers may surprise you) | Daily Mail Online

Thanks Inanna. That is an interesting article. I found this comment interesting:

"Racist views are strikingly rare in the U.S., according to the survey, which claims that only 3.8 per cent of residents are reluctant to have a neighbour of another race."
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That's particularly interesting given the current climate. All the current hysteria would suggest there is a lot of racism in the US.

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[Kimmio Laughterlove]

Jokester?

I'd never use it in reference to you. Although I know you won't admit it - it absolutely worked in reference to others because it shuts down those who simply want people to get upset because it shows disdain rather than anger and it's dismissive - and that's not the response they're looking for and they have no idea where to go with it. Either be disdainful and dismissive toward trolls or ignore them. But engaging them seriously is a waste of time and attacking is dumb - because they feed off it.

Anyhoo - this is certainly a very active thread that's nominally at least about an important and current subject, but am I the only one who's starting to get a bit tired of it?

GO TRUMP GO! - and I mean that absolutely literally.

Don't feed the trolls? It's not that simple | The Daily Dot

 

[Northwind]

Will I be dilified for finding this funny?

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

Kimmio, you are arguing, on the Trump thread, about how you think that all speech you find disagreeable, that of about half the American voting public, should be "banned". I'm asking you exactly how/why you'd go about banning all speech you don't like? How is that not the most rational question of all? "How do you practically enact this idea?"

And, because you're accusing other people of taking things personally, which I generally don't "Bette, of all people"? WTF?

You don't make many rational arguments. Your recent argument about trans men and testosterone because of one account from one friend, was off the rails. And you have the occasional, maybe more than occasional, emotional outburst yourself. That said, often your comments are engaging and interesting and humorous.

I never said all speech I find disagreeable should be banned. You said that I said that. I think alt-right neo nazi hate speech should be banned. I think Americans should adopt hate speech parameters similar to Canada's.

 

[Delightful Life]

Thanks Inanna. That is an interesting article. I found this comment interesting:

"Racist views are strikingly rare in the U.S., according to the survey, which claims that only 3.8 per cent of residents are reluctant to have a neighbour of another race."
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That's particularly interesting given the current climate. All the current hysteria would suggest there is a lot of racism in the US.

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And that racism could still be less than compared to other countries and the current hysteria still means that only around 3.8 per cen of merrycans r reluctant 2 have a neighbour of different race?

I'm still rooting aboot the World Values survey that was the original source of the data...

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

Will I be dilified for finding this funny?

I did say I think Adams should get out of the Master Persuader business and go back, exclusively, to his cartoons. It's his blog that's "cult-like".

 

[Northwind]

Kimmio, you are arguing, on the Trump thread, about how you think that all speech you find disagreeable, that of about half the American voting public, should be "banned". I'm asking you exactly how/why you'd go about banning all speech you don't like? How is that not the most rational question of all? "How do you practically enact this idea?"

I'd like to hear an answer to this one.

 

[Northwind]

Hmmmmmm

"But when you start seeing ad hominem attacks that offer no reasons at all, that might be a sign that people in the mass hysteria bubble don’t understand what is wrong with your point of view except that it sounds more sensible than their own."

Scott Adams' Blog

 

[BetteTheRed]

I tagged @Kimmio in this post originally. I would like to have a response to this. Kimmio, you asked what I mean by bubble wrapping. This man essentially expresses what I feel. Times have changed since I was growing up. I often wonder how kids will ever learn to take appropriate risks or be resilient when everyone is protecting them from imagined harms.

My children grew up just as we descended fully into this madness. I used to have arguments with my (now ex-) husband about how I thought it was fine for our children - together - to cross a busy road (with a traffic light and an activated walk signal) to get to the local convenience store to purchase junk with their allowance money. They would have been 5 and 8 at the time.

 

[Northwind]

My children grew up just as we descended fully into this madness. I used to have arguments with my (now ex-) husband about how I thought it was fine for our children - together - to cross a busy road (with a traffic light and an activated walk signal) to get to the local convenience store to purchase junk with their allowance money. They would have been 5 and 8 at the time.

When I lived in Toronto almost 20 years ago, young kids around 10 would take the subway for about two stops to get to school. It was obvious that they had the skills and ability to do this. I imagine they have turned into competent adults by now.

I was shocked to hear the speaker in the clip say that it is illegal to allow children of a certain age to walk a few blocks to the neighbourhood parks alone in some areas. You most certainly were breaking the law when you allowed your children to go to the corner store Bette.

I'm glad I was raised in a time when we could roam the neighbourhood with our friends and no one hovered over us.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

I tagged @Kimmio in this post originally. I would like to have a response to this. Kimmio, you asked what I mean by bubble wrapping. This man essentially expresses what I feel. Times have changed since I was growing up. I often wonder how kids will ever learn to take appropriate risks or be resilient when everyone is protecting them from imagined harms.

I don't think kids should be "bubble wrapped" from harm, and need helicopter parenting. I don't think black kids - or anybody - should have to tolerate being called the n word and see neo-nazis marching with torches screaming "blood and soil" in their neighbourhoods. I don't think Muslims wearing head scarves should be told to go back to their countries - even people born in North America are being subjected to that. I don't think women should have to be subjected to "rape is natural/ women should be treated like chattel/ feminazi" type comments on the Internet.

 

[Northwind]

So how do you suggest we respond to those things? If you say to ban those behaviours, how do you suggest that happen?

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

Hmmmmmm

"But when you start seeing ad hominem attacks that offer no reasons at all, that might be a sign that people in the mass hysteria bubble don’t understand what is wrong with your point of view except that it sounds more sensible than their own."

Scott Adams' Blog

Of course. They must just be hysterical people in mass hysteria bubbles. Nothing wrong with Adams.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

So how do you suggest we respond to those things? If you say to ban those behaviours, how do you suggest that happen?

Well...in Canada those neo-nazis would not be given a permit and they'd be arrested if they did that.

And I think sites dedicated to groups promoting hate should be shut down by the host sites.

 

[revsdd]

Don't feed the trolls? It's not that simple | The Daily Dot

That's Whitney Phillips' opinion. I largely disagree. "Don't feed the trolls" is not analogous to "blame the victim" in cases of rape. I actually find that comparison offensive and demeaning to rape victims. Instead, it's roughly analogous to "don't feed the bears." Feeding bears is stupid. So is feeding trolls. If people keep giving the bears/trolls what they want - which is either food in the case of bears or angry and outraged responses in the case of trolls - then both will continue to come around.

I'd be happy enough with Phillips suggestion of just deleting trolling comments. But if I started to do that I'd probably be denounced as a power hungry tyrant. Or something like that.

 

[Northwind]

Of course. They must just be hysterical people in mass hysteria bubbles. Nothing wrong with Adams.

This is not about Adams. It is about ad hominem attacks.......