TRUMP - Some people think......... How do you feel?

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Interesting to think about our Prime Ministers. We've had nine in my lifetime that I can remember. (I was only 4 when Pearson left office.) Of the nine I'd say that 5 entered politics from a position of financial privilege, 4 from a more modest background.

The privileged: Pierre Trudeau, John Turner, Brian Mulroney, Paul Martin, Justin Trudeau.

The more modest: Joe Clark, Kim Campbell, Jean Chretien, Stephen Harper.

Regardless of my thoughts on their policies, I applaud the former for entering the thankless and uncertain world of politics when they had no particular need to, and I applaud the latter for defying the odds and achieving the nation's most important office.
 
Mendalla said:
In fact, my sense has always been that, relative to what we expect them to do, most ministers/pastors are probably underpaid. Our last fulltime minister was paid fairly well, but still well below what I make and with arguably greater responsibilities.
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From what I know, I'd say ministers are underpaid.
 
What a nice group of kids
Obviously they have good parents
Lots of nrg @ this concert
I hear Alan Maitland is there :3
 
I have to say that although I don't agree with everything he's saying, I think Trump is giving a very effective speech tonight.
 
Effective for promising things that are illogical ?

He is reaching out to the ignorant, making life seem simple.
Protectionist.

Scares the s**t out of me
 
Pinga said:
Effective for promising things that are illogical ?

He is reaching out to the ignorant, making life seem simple.
Protectionist.

Scares the s**t out of me
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This is politics. Since when did logic count?

Americans are increasingly afraid. They want simple. They want someone who's going to say nothing more than "I'm going to make everything better." They want someone who says he's going to be tough on the people who scare them. He's making that connection with a speech that's not outrageous but that is passionate and is pushing the right buttons. I think a lot of Americans will respond to the swagger.

I hate to say it - but he can win this thing. Hillary Clinton is a very poor choice for the Democrats in my opinion.
 
Mendalla said:
In fact, my sense has always been that, relative to what we expect them to do, most ministers/pastors are probably underpaid. Our last fulltime minister was paid fairly well, but still well below what I make and with arguably greater responsibilities.
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Most I've met have been low-paid. The UCCanada ministers are among the highest paid in the country though. They have a sweet deal - on average making about $65,000 per year. Many evangelical pastors make $20,000 or less in ministry and choose to work bi-vocationally to support their families.
 
Yes, @revsdd , I would agree with you completely that it is effective for getting elected.


Yes, he just reached out to the Christians...
 
Pr. Jae said:
Most I've met have been low-paid. The UCCanada ministers are among the highest paid in the country though. They have a sweet deal - on average making about $65,000 per year. Many evangelical pastors make $20,000 or less in ministry and choose to work bi-vocationally to support their families.
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The average United Church minister makes $65000 per year? The average United Church minister would probably be surprised to discover that.

I've been in the ministry for 22 years. I'm in the highest salary category the United Church has. My congregation pays me about a 15% premium over the minimum required salary. I make slightly more than what you're citing as the "average," with a church in an area where the average house sells for well over $400000 and is rapidly rising. Yeah. Sweet deal that.

I'm not complaining. I didn't go into the ministry to make lots of money. And we're comfortable enough. And I've known lots of pastors in evangelical churches who don't really seem to be hurting either. It's not a lucrative calling, and it requires sacrifices, and you don't have all the toys that others - including your parishioners - have, but you get to make a difference in people's lives, and it is satisfying - unless you start getting jealous and focusing on what others have that you don't.
 
Brock Mealer, the speaker with a disability at the RNC convention is the brother of a (semi?) pro-football player, Elliot Mealer. It's a heart wrenching story, and I am glad he recovered so well.

I just want to point out that not everyone has a pro athlete brother and the opportunity to have a football team help him with rehabilitation. It's fantastic for him - but it's not common.

And getting married is not a wow, it's a normal thing to do.There's no reason to be awed by that.

He credits God, but not the ADA or disability rights (who says God doesn't care about that?) - no word about what Trump would do to encourage equality for people with disabilities. I am all for not losing hope but there needs to be action and support to back it up. He said nothing about strengthening the ADA or the policies and programs that help people (Hillary will be bringing it up). Just pray and hope for the best, and have a football team to help you, and you might beat the odds, is all I heard. Not everyone will have their prayers answered if that's all he thinks needs to be done. Keep in mind,Trump wants to cut spending. Will MAID spread across the U.S. to help the unfortunate others with their suffering because they can't get hired and can't get private insurance if they can Obamacare and cut social spending?

I'm serious. I'm not sure if Brock thought about that.
 
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I've been reading the coverage of Trump's speech last night. Yes - it was based on fear. No surprise there. That's his strategy. That's what's won him the Republican nomination. But don't think it wasn't effective. The delivery was so much better than I've seen from him in the past. Less out of control, fewer diversions, no really personal insults toward opponents, Ted Cruz ignored (when some were speculating that Trump might lambast Cruz over the non-endorsement,) attacks on Clinton - who's very susceptible to attacks - but no immature references to "Crooked Hillary." Frankly, the teleprompter worked. It kept him organized. The content was the same - but the delivery was much more polished. He came across to me as a very negative Ronald Reagan. Both equally devoid of any really organized policy ideas, but Reagan was optimistic and appealed to Americans' hopes; Trump was pessimistic and appealed to Americans' fears - but the communication was there, in my opinion. That makes it more effective. The fact is he's appealing to a dark underside of American society that could well elect him president. AS I said back a few posts, most news coverage of polls has focused on Hillary leading. CNN reported recently however that a succession of polls has shown a very competitive race in the essential "swing states" that actually elect the president nowadays - basically Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania. They're basically tied in those states, one or the other slightly ahead, within the margin of error. Ohio and Pennsylvania especially are susceptible to isolationist sentiment because of fear over job losses. I'm not counting Trump out, and I personally think the Democrats have a very weak and vulnerable candidate who inspires very little enthusiasm from anyone based on what I've seen.
 
BetteTheRed said:
What the hell is the level of the 'common man'?

Our politicians are, generally, lawyers, who, as long as they're employed in a decent firm, tend to be 'comfortable'. Joe was certainly not 'comfortable' from that perspective.

He is certainly not a 'common man' in terms of intelligence and compassion.
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Jesus said bottom line ... in the sans he wrote ... as this caused a divine separation between Jesus opinionated levity and the Pharisees, etc. Ever felt in the midst of arid humus? Good for fires at night in the desert ...
 
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