TRUMP - Some people think......... How do you feel?

[Delightful Life]

And I don't even think that's an over-reaction or fear mongering. He's not a safe choice whatsoever. Hillary may not be the most stellar choice but she's a lot safer.

Well im glad that even though Hillary did have some classified emails on her personal server that FBI director James Comey knew that stability for America was more important than charging her for her crime (i note he said that there were some classified emails and that it looks like she did it out of ignorance and that no judge would try her...so shes guilty but.American stability is more important...James is a True Hero....not being sarcastic here...)

Id say vote for Hillary because the American economy does better under Dem POTI http://davidbrin.blogspot.ca/2014/06/so-do-outcomes-matter-more-than-rhetoric.html?m=1
Trump is a wild card...he is a GOP right now because to have any chance at POTUS you have to be a part of either party...

If anyone says they know how either candidate will do as POTUS they cannot be.speaking factually but are speaking their opinion. No one can see the future...
And so it goes

 

[chansen]

I'm up in the middle of the night with coughing fits, but just read about the shade that Cruz through at Trump at Trump's own convention. I mean, Cruz is a genuine a**hole, but credit where credit is due. He completely trolled The Donald. Didn't endorse him. Told the crowd to vote their conscience. And, he went way over his allotted time and screwed up the timing of Pence's speech. I read that GOP donors tried to attack Cruz on the way out of the convention.

This is, of course, a calculated move to not endorse so that in 4 years, Cruz has an open path to the nomination without having to answer for endorsing Trump. Still, how do you insult a man's wife and father, spend months calling him "Lyin' Ted", and then let him give a speech?

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

I was hoping one of the speakers would do that - actually, that someone might have even stronger words. Several candidates have said he's dangerous,unstable, his policies unconstitutional, could never support him - then they did. It's hard to respect that when their whole country, not just party, is on the line. This was actually an honest move by Cruz. Even though he does probably have his sights on the next election - I actually think he did do the right thing out of conscience. 2020 is a long way away - November, not so much.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

How many days left of the convention? Maybe someone else will go off script and speak their conscience. Cruz paved the way.

I read earlier that Donald Jr., a few months ago, approached Kasich about being VP - he wanted someone who he thought would be good with foreign policy and so Donald Sr. Could just be a figurehead - pitch the slogans. In other words, doesn't actually want to be president. (But doesn't want to lose face and will keep going to win anyway.) I think it was in Gawker - so not sure how factual. It wouldn't surprise me. Nothing would. So if Trump gets elected it might actually be Pence doing all the political tough stuff. That could be what's up Trump's sleeve.Better learn about Pence...

Can you imagine? Making a gong show out of democracy for what seems like a very long campaign - epicly long - then ending up with a leader nobody knows, who got tacked on to the campaign with 4 months to go? I don't want to imagine it. And Trump supporters sure would be PO'd! None of the possible outcomes are great but I hope Hillary wins.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

Here's Chris Christie hugging Hillary a couple of months ago, being quite chummy.

I think the body snatchers took Chris Christie - what else could explain his spooky turn to affinity for Trump?... and he went all Jerry Springer style 3rd Reich on Tuesday. Lower than low. Jerk doesn't even come close to the right word.

What a dirty, nasty, scary, election...there ought to be some rules of conduct.

https://m.mic.com/articles/149341/h...is-christie-really-feels-about-her#.i9er4fW0L

 

[Luce NDs]

Are thoughts essential, or just a tool of the essence thing (attributes; like shades of humour and shamin/shaman) that get confused when mixed in space-time?

Without this essence surrounding us and allowing an inside-out observation ... would the OBI be denied or just isolated to essential thought? Could this relate to how Webster defined intellect in a few words (something beyond us that may approach a fog)?

This vapours may even approach us as a vesper on a quiet morning as we watch the light swing around the earth ... just to prove the hero's of god wrong with their Mars thing ... that bloody aura of war that will settle the diplomatic issues of dispute and mental-emotional conflict? Bloody auras are good for making rings on red-necked diminished arias ...

"Ohl/Owl ord don't let it end too quick ..."

This may conflict with the whispers heard in the pines ... such fey-bri-Zaes can be timeless too! Fabulous for distributing the stink to the underlying people to the over seers ... aD ministers? Such is laid out like striations in onions ... causing tiers ... but few allegories from those existing on one level, or page at a time ... without adequate car rage ... a variant of Rhodes rage ... about Hercules supporting the wee speck in space called Earth ... a weird place to say least when comparing it to the eternal stretch ... an ankh to many living within the limited system ... to those unable to deal with the abstract out there mode ... the unknown dark Ness ... sometimes appearing as Tess ... one Hoo crossed ... maybe twice?

Thus the disassociated phonetics ...

 

[Luce NDs]

Here's Chris Christie hugging Hillary a couple of months ago, being quite chummy.

I think the body snatchers took Chris Christie - what else could explain his spooky turn to affinity for Trump?... and he went all Jerry Springer style 3rd Reich on Tuesday. Lower than low. Jerk doesn't even come close to the right word.

What a dirty, nasty, scary, election...there ought to be some rules of conduct.

https://m.mic.com/articles/149341/hillary-clinton-leaked-footage-on-snapchat-of-how-chris-christie-really-feels-about-her#.i9er4fW0L

Do the elite and advantaged believe they need to be monitored? Then why did God need an adversary in the advocating of interpretation of God's Law according to the Hebrew which is often chaos compared to a simple Ten Comands when a duality could've been better ... and thus the denied Cadeuces ... a pair of spirits or essences? You did know a "Ca" "Ka" or "Q" was essentially a wrap around warp age for cover up of the object in the confined sentence ... ID could be interpreted as war page ... and thus one to serve the warhorse in the kitchen ... Di Anis? Did you know that "an" is an old word for concern ... possibly Semite, or ability to see mitre (ang'led approaches) things in script, like "γ", the Greek "g" for light unseen? Wise lye unseen in domain of excessively emotionally, dynamic or driven personas! They have no time to stop and appreciate how it all comes together in the sum ... thus sloe procrastination. Have patience ye Hoo are loaded with ankh!

The fallout of essential space is mostly hard qur'n nature or cored as ogre 'd by the great carpenter ... who formed the etiological tree to keep the hard korn 'd bunch out of heaven phun ... thus vapours that cause some to feint off ...

 

[Jaebius]

I'm up in the middle of the night with coughing fits, but just read about the shade that Cruz through at Trump at Trump's own convention. I mean, Cruz is a genuine a**hole, but credit where credit is due. He completely trolled The Donald. Didn't endorse him. Told the crowd to vote their conscience. And, he went way over his allotted time and screwed up the timing of Pence's speech. I read that GOP donors tried to attack Cruz on the way out of the convention.

This is, of course, a calculated move to not endorse so that in 4 years, Cruz has an open path to the nomination without having to answer for endorsing Trump. Still, how do you insult a man's wife and father, spend months calling him "Lyin' Ted", and then let him give a speech?

Hope your coughing gets better soon chansen.

What do you mean, "GOP donors tried to attack Cruz?" Do you mean physically? If so, I hope they were booted from the convention.

I missed Cruz's speech last night but did catch Pence's. I thought the latter did quite well.

 

[revsdd]

And have we fared much better, really? Chretien has been the only PM in my lifetime (so far) who came across as a "man of the people" and even he was quite well off by the time he made it into 24 Sussex.

I don't know how old you are, of course, but for me I'd say Joe Clark (who was, of course, Prime Minister - if briefly) was a "man of the people" at least in terms of not being independently wealthy.

 

[Jaebius]

I don't know how old you are, of course, but for me I'd say Joe Clark (who was, of course, Prime Minister - if briefly) was a "man of the people" at least in terms of not being independently wealthy.

He was a long-time bureaucrat and politician before being elected. He was certainly comfortable.

 

[Mendalla]

I don't know how old you are, of course, but for me I'd say Joe Clark (who was, of course, Prime Minister - if briefly) was a "man of the people" at least in terms of not being independently wealthy.

I was going to include him but wasn't sure without consulting his bio so left him out.

He was a long-time bureaucrat and politician before being elected. He was certainly comfortable.

@Pr. Jae, comfortable and wealthy are not the same thing. Comfortable means having enough with some put aside for the future. Wealthy means having more than enough. In Canada today, I would suggest that there are even some in the 1% that are comfortable rather than truly wealthy. I am comfortable but I am certainly not what I would consider wealthy, certainly not in the way that (to cite a Prime Minister since that's what we are talking about) Brian Mulroney or even Justin Trudeau is.

 

[revsdd]

He was a long-time bureaucrat and politician before being elected. He was certainly comfortable.

Wrong on both counts.

Clark was never a bureaucrat. He worked for several media organizations (as a staffer, but never as a high profile reporter or anything. He and then did work on staff for Peter Lougheed when Lougheed was leader of the Alberta PCs and looked to be going nowhere. He also worked in Robert Stanfield's office when Stanfield was Leader of the Opposition. Neither staff position would have been a road to riches. As for being a long time politician, he ran twice unsuccessfully in provincial elections in Alberta, and then was elected to Parliament in 1972 and 1974. An MP's salary - back then - wasn't huge, and still isn't enough to make you wealthy. Then he became party leader in 1976 and PM in 1979.

He certainly was a man of more modest means than most PMs have been.

 

[Jaebius]

Wrong on both counts.

Clark was never a bureaucrat. He worked for several media organizations (as a staffer, but never as a high profile reporter or anything. He and then did work on staff for Peter Lougheed when Lougheed was leader of the Alberta PCs and looked to be going nowhere. He also worked in Robert Stanfield's office when Stanfield was Leader of the Opposition. Neither staff position would have been a road to riches. As for being a long time politician, he ran twice unsuccessfully in provincial elections in Alberta, and then was elected to Parliament in 1972 and 1974. An MP's salary - back then - wasn't huge, and still isn't enough to make you wealthy. Then he became party leader in 1976 and PM in 1979.

He certainly was a man of more modest means than most PMs have been.

I agree with you that he was more modest than most. However, he had been a long-term civil servant, and an MP for seven years before being elected PM. He was certainly at least in the upper-middle class when elected to PM. Financially above the financial state of most people.

 

[revsdd]

A civil servant works for the government. Joe Clark was never a civil servant.

 

[Jaebius]

A civil servant works for the government. Joe Clark was never a civil servant.

Okay Steven, if neither bureaucrat nor civil servant than what? At any rate, you're dodging the point. The man was not at the same financial level as the common man as you earlier claimed.

 

[revsdd]

I'm not dodging any point. I said he was a man of the people in terms of not being independently wealthy. Those were my exact words. I stand by that. You said he was comfortable. I agree with that. I'm comfortable too, and I'm in a one income household whose one income is a minister's salary. So, what constitutes "comfortable"?

Before going into politics, Joe Clark had worked briefly in the media, had been an assistant to Peter Lougheed and then an assistant to Robert Stanfield. Those were political and partisan positions. By definition, therefore, not civil service positions.

 

[BetteTheRed]

Okay Steven, if neither bureaucrat nor civil servant than what? At any rate, you're dodging the point. The man was not at the same financial level as the common man as you earlier claimed.

What the hell is the level of the 'common man'?

Our politicians are, generally, lawyers, who, as long as they're employed in a decent firm, tend to be 'comfortable'. Joe was certainly not 'comfortable' from that perspective.

He is certainly not a 'common man' in terms of intelligence and compassion.

 

[Jaebius]

I'm not dodging any point. I said he was a man of the people in terms of not being independently wealthy. Those were my exact words. I stand by that. You said he was comfortable. I agree with that. I'm comfortable too, and I'm in a one income household whose one income is a minister's salary. So, what constitutes "comfortable"?

I'd say "comfortable" means upper-middle class, but not upper class such as the like of Mulroney and Trudeau. On a United Church minister's salary that definition of "comfortable" would include you. It isn't as though UCCanada ministers make a low wage Steven. From my limited knowledge of salaries in your denomination, most of its ministers earn more than have the pastors I've known in others.

Before going into politics, Joe Clark had worked briefly in the media, had been an assistant to Peter Lougheed and then an assistant to Robert Stanfield. Those were political and partisan positions. By definition, therefore, not civil service positions.

Okay. Well-paid political and partisan positions.

 

[revsdd]

Yup. We United Church ministers are sure rolling in the dough. No doubt about that. That's why I buy a new car every 10 years and live an hour from my church in a less expensive area.

As for political positions - being an assistant to Peter Lougheed when Lougheed was leader of the Alberta PC Party against a Social Credit dynasty that wasn't expected to be beaten was not a high paying job. And unless you're very senior, being an assistant in the OLO in Ottawa isn't that lucrative either. It's why the OLO staff is made up of mostly younger staffers. Joe would have been late 20's when he started there. Long hours, low pay, little job security. They're jobs for political hacks, which is what Joe was until he became party leader.

 

[Mendalla]

Yup. We United Church ministers are sure rolling in the dough. No doubt about that. That's why I buy a new car every 10 years and live an hour from my church in a less expensive area.

In fact, my sense has always been that, relative to what we expect them to do, most ministers/pastors are probably underpaid. Our last fulltime minister was paid fairly well, but still well below what I make and with arguably greater responsibilities.