Works without faith is dead

[Neo]

Hi Neo---Look once more at these two verse.

Jhn 1:12 But to all who received him, who believed in his name, he gave power to become children of God;

Jhn 1:13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

I believe you will see it is not us who has the power. It is Jesus The Christ who gives us the power. It is by GODS will that we become His Children. You, We, me , Have very little to do with it.(We had are chance). We all failed only the man called Jesus , Who was The Christ made it.But as by one man the world was lost. So by one man , it was saved. All Glory is GODS. Now we have but to learn to walk with HIM. For the ways we lived was not His ways . We must learn to Love far more than we ever understood". For His Love is in all things". I believe God has given us that time to learn and understand His ways.We have but just stared ,are walk with Him.There is much to learn, I believe He will teach us all things. There is a verse in a Song I like , Goes something like . As we been there ten thousand years. Bright shinning as the sun . We"v no less days to sing GODS Praise than when we first begun.
What A Wonder"s GOD we Have.

Sure, now look at these Airclean:

1 Corinthians 3:16 Do you not know that you are God's temple and that God's Spirit dwells in you?

Luke 17:21 Nor will they say, 'See here!' or 'See there!' --for the Kingdom of God is within you."

I'm sure you will see that God's will is potentially within us, and not from something external. You see Airclean, the spark of God is within all of us, we don't "become" God's children, we are "gods, children of the most High". What we "become" is aware of this relationship. Sometimes it simply needs the light breath of the inner spirit to fan that recognition into flame.

I don't know why it's such a taboo to believe in such a concept. I don't see separation between God and It's creation. I only see our incapacity to recognize that relationship. And thus it is with the Christ, the One who has completely identified Himself with the God within. The "Christ within you, the hope and glory" is the same potential God-Awareness that's within us all. It just has to be awakened.

 

[Neo]

@anyone:
Do "born again", "enlightened" and "Christ conscious" mean the same thing?

I see "born again" as but the first step towards salvation (which is the freedom to move freely between spirit and matter). It marks the time, in the long journey of the Soul, when the personality (the reflection of the Soul) is finally responsive enough to the Soul that it begins to come under the Soul's influence.

Enlightenment has many meanings, but generally, in the spiritual sense, it means enlightenment from the Soul Plane of our existence.

The Soul Plane is also known as the Buddhic or the Christ Plane, the plane of intuition, (which sits above the Mental Plane, the plane of thoughts and ideas). For all intents and purposes the Buddhic Plane is Nirvana, aka Heaven. It is where the Soul rests between incarnations.

 

[Luce NDs]

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I believe my statement would be illogical if I believed that the reference to "good and evil", in the book of Genesis, were not representing the polar opposites of energy itself. This sinuous and serpent sine wave of both positive and negative tells me that polar opposites do exist, and I believe that early Mankind experienced and "took on" the challenge to wrestle these opposites down, using the discrimination of the mind to do so. We either turn right or we turn left, we look up or we look down. It's our choice.

Something like gods and demons would bounce off de Wahls (infinite) and call it handy Ba'aL ... as a en emotional intellect that would settle as a medi-ochre medium of soiled psyche by the polity ... the very dirt under foot .. the mortal mutter ...

 

[Luce NDs]

Here is a question ----Is God the Opposite of Satan ----God is Good Satan is evil -----

This is my view on this -----God created Satan they are both spirit beings ----the opposite of spiritual is unspiritual so Satan is not the opposite of God in my view ----so Good comes from God and Evil from Satan so since in the spiritual world God and Satan come from the same realm Good and Evil would not be opposites but one devoid from the other ----so evil is devoid of anything good ------

Just my opinion

God is the dark opposing broad-side of heh's elf ... thus the becoming Dark Mire ... that which blocks and assimilates cosmological projections ... Jetz? A self-Jacked enigma arising as there was nun other? The one talked to by the self is actually imaginary or abstract ... like the devoid, or washed mind ... cleared of everything?

Such concepts of impossible dreams keeps the thinking demons beyond the mortal rule of war ... and thus the ve Nous of venue of piece of the opposition when no conflicts to keep them busy the screw over everything or Piscine it ... thus the-me of dog maw: ... don't consume the (w)hole thing ... heh!

A Medea ochre myth of just dirty messenger ... of concept?

 

[Seeler]

Sure, now look at these Airclean:

1 Corinthians 3:16 Do you not know that you are God's temple and that God's Spirit dwells in you?

Luke 17:21 Nor will they say, 'See here!' or 'See there!' --for the Kingdom of God is within you."

I'm sure you will see that God's will is potentially within us, and not from something external. You see Airclean, the spark of God is within all of us, we don't "become" God's children, we are "gods, children of the most High". What we "become" is aware of this relationship. Sometimes it simply needs the light breath of the inner spirit to fan that recognition into flame.

I don't know why it's such a taboo to believe in such a concept. I don't see separation between God and It's creation. I only see our incapacity to recognize that relationship. And thus it is with the Christ, the One who has completely identified Himself with the God within. The "Christ within you, the hope and glory" is the same potential God-Awareness that's within us all. It just has to be awakened.

I agree!

 

[Luce NDs]

One should look all about ... inside? That'd be subtle humility and lead to some hoes cleaning ... or rake in through the san pitz ...

Gothe in opht ... ole Angle ish ... holein 1, if you score ... with the ringer ... you'll die at the result: a conceit, or concept?

That'd be Ur washing her single fabric at lakeside ... a rye booty ... a pearl exposed?

 

[revjohn]

@anyone:
Do "born again", "enlightened" and "Christ conscious" mean the same thing?

It probably depends on who you ask.

Historically, to be "born again" (or regeneration) is purely a spiritual state and is attributed to the work of the Holy Spirit. "Enlightened" is typically all about knowledge and is the work of the individual acquiring knowledge. At their plainest these two concepts may not be in opposition to one another, they are not the same thing.

Christ consciousness is another way of marketing an "enlightened" perspective and is as Christian as the prosperity gospel. It takes biblical text out of biblical context and presents a message alien to the Gospel of Christ. Scratch the surface and you find more Hinduism, Jainism and Buddhism in Christ Consciousness than you do Christian thought.

 

[Luce NDs]

Dependant on who you ask? Due to time, place and light of the situation considering the perspective of who doesn't have a wide view? Heavenly curved window going all-round ... broad base? An aura ... or le aura of Joan of Arc sometimes spelled Jayne as out doing a' Moor ... taking a stroll? Such causes the failure of that Michelson-Morley Experiment that failed due to their in consideration of light shift in different frequencies ... thus eL UV catastrophe as finicky or fey ... leaves one feeling left out of the intelligence group ... a sole bunch?

 

[unsafe]

waterfall your quote ---@anyoneo "born again", "enlightened" and "Christ conscious" mean the same thing?

This is my view ----Born Again is changing your Human corrupted Spirit to an incorruptible Holy Spirit and receiving all the benefits Christ accomplished on the Cross ----Spiritual Enlightenment in Christianity ----is given to us by and through the Holy Spirit John 16:13 -----we do not get enlightened on Spiritual matters on our own power ----

Buddhism Spiritual enlightenment comes ----through yourself ----(No God Needed) -- literally means "awakening" and "understanding". Someone who is awakened has gained insight into the workings of the mind which keeps us imprisoned in craving, suffering and rebirth,[web 1]and has also gained insight into the way that leads tonirvana, the liberation of oneself from this imprisonment. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlightenment_(spiritual)

Christ conscious is described best here ---- it is to do with your attitude and being of the same mind as Christ ----- we can't have the same mind of Christ and the same attitude of Christ if we keep our worldly ways of thinking and responding to situations and people letting our emotions control us -----in my opinion -----and according to God's word which says -----be not conformed to this world but be transformed --God has provided the means we have to do the work ----we have to want to change -----

Philippians 2GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)
Have the Same Attitude as Christ

2 So then, as Christians, do you have any encouragement? Do you have any comfort from love? Do you have any spiritual relationships? Do you have any sympathy and compassion?2 Then fill me with joy by having the same attitude and the same love, living in harmony, and keeping one purpose in mind.3 Don’t act out of selfish ambition or be conceited. Instead, humbly think of others as being better than yourselves.4 Don’t be concerned only about your own interests, but also be concerned about the interests of others.5 Have the same attitude that Christ Jesus had.

 

[blackbelt1961]

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I believe my statement would be illogical if I believed that the reference to "good and evil", in the book of Genesis, were not representing the polar opposites of energy itself. This sinuous and serpent sine wave of both positive and negative tells me that polar opposites do exist, and I believe that early Mankind experienced and "took on" the challenge to wrestle these opposites down, using the discrimination of the mind to do so. We either turn right or we turn left, we look up or we look down. It's our choice.

Examples that share equal ontological status

Left & Right, North & South, Front & Back , Male & Female , Open and close , Sweet & sour. Heads or Tails

why are the equal? because if you remove one side you still have its counter side, remove the head of a coin, you still have tails, sweet you still have sour and so forth


BUT:


Evil & Good do not share equal statue and are not opposite


Cold & Hot, Light & Dark, Good & Evil

Remove the hot (heat energy) you have cold , Remove the Light energy, you have darkness, Remove the Good you have Evil

these unlike equal opposite do not exist at the same time, the opposites here are the ABSENCE OF

Cold, Darkness, Evil are ALL the absence of the GOOD, Or LIGHT , remove all that there is , and you have

Nothing !


Before anything ever was , God IS, including your sign wave, which is a characteristic of energy or what IS , Good is Eternal meaning there is non Beside Him , For God to create and allow all that there is indicates before anything ever was, evil was NON Existent as well, rendering evil the weaker and not equal at all to the Good.


so back to Genesis, remove Energy and you still have

Nothing

 

[blackbelt1961]

@anyone:
Do "born again", "enlightened" and "Christ conscious" mean the same thing?

The Biblical Definition of the term Born Again & having the Mind of Christ is very different that the New Age definition born again or enlightened and Christ Conscious .


This is a great example of Powers and Principalities redefining Gods Word and the truth of what IS

 

[airclean33]

Hi Neo -- You have ask me to look at the Passages you"v sent. And so I have.

Neo posted----
Sure, now look at these Airclean:

1 Corinthians 3:16 Do you not know that you are God's temple and that God's Spirit dwells in you?

Luke 17:21 Nor will they say, 'See here!' or 'See there!' --for the Kingdom of God is within you."

I'm sure you will see that God's will is potentially within us, and not from something external. You see Airclean, the spark of God is within all of us, we don't "become" God's children, we are "gods, children of the most High". What we "become" is aware of this relationship. Sometimes it simply needs the light breath of the inner spirit to fan that recognition into flame.

Airclean-- First I see in your post you have it wrong. You see in 1--Cor 3:16 Paul is talking to the Church at corinthia , not to the world . So yes He said they have the Holy Spirit from Christ Jesus, in them for He had been there and Layed on hands and prayed with them. (Not the world.)

Now as for Luke 17: 21- This is how my R.S.V. Reads--
Luk 17:21 nor will they say, 'Lo, here it is!' or 'There!' for behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you."
I would be more apt to beleve this is what Christ Jesus said. Meaning GODS Kingdom was in Him.As The Christ came from Heaven Than to believe He was saying The Kingdom was in the Pharsees, as I believe you wish to show.


I believe The Kingdom came into the world through Christ Jesus. For GODS Word shows it is though Christ Jesus we recive GODS HOLY SPIRIT. For the Word shows it is only by Him Jesus The Christ and through Him, that we can come to the Father GOD. Thank you Neo for posting GODS Word, It give "s me an understand of your thoughts. Below are my posts not ment to over ride yours. These are just the way I see them. God Bless . airclean33

 

[Luce NDs]

Best not to be aware of Christ Consciousness ... the responsibility would overwhelm most mortal "present" minds resolved to do nothing about thought ... and thus the wash ... white wash, or blackout and ... then they didn't know anything infinite!

 

[Neo]

Luke 17:21 Nor will they say, 'See here!' or 'See there!' --for the Kingdom of God is within you."

...as for Luke 17: 21- This is how my R.S.V. Reads--
Luk 17:21 nor will they say, 'Lo, here it is!' or 'There!' for behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you."
I would be more apt to beleve this is what Christ Jesus said. Meaning GODS Kingdom was in Him.As The Christ came from Heaven Than to believe He was saying The Kingdom was in the Pharsees, as I believe you wish to show.

I'm assuming that you believe "in the midst of you" means the same thing as "in your midst", as if Christ was referring to himself when speaking of the Kingdom of God.

The author(s) of the RSV version have taken the Greek word "ἐντός" transliterated into the English word "entos" and attempted to alter or, at the very least, mislead the meaning of the word. "Entos" is a word that means "within you" and not "among you" or "in your midst".

The word "midst", btw, literally means "in the middle of", which still, however awkwardly, could still mean "within you".

See also
http://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/greek/nas/entos.html

 

[blackbelt1961]

I'm assuming that you believe "in the midst of you" means the same thing as "in your midst", as if Christ was referring to himself when speaking of the Kingdom of God.

The author(s) of the RSV version have taken the Greek word "ἐντός" transliterated into the English word "entos" and attempted to alter or, at the very least, mislead the meaning of the word. "Entos" is a word that means "within you" and not "among you" or "in your midst".

The word "midst", btw, literally means "in the middle of", which still, however awkwardly, could still mean "within you".

See also
http://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/greek/nas/entos.html

being within your, does not make it you

 

[airclean33]

Hi Neo -- It is as you see it . I do not. I don't let others tell me what a word Christ has said means. I look in GODS word an ask.
Matthew 4:17
Mat 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, saying, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand."
Mat 10:7 And preach as you go, saying, 'The kingdom of heaven is at hand.'

Mat 11:11 Truly, I say to you, among those born of women there has risen no one greater than John the Baptist; yet he who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.
Jhn 3:5 Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
Act 14:22 strengthening the souls of the disciples, exhorting them to continue in the faith, and saying that through many tribulations we must enter the kingdom of God.

Rom 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not food and drink but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit;

 

[Neo]

being within your, does not make it you

No, you are absolutely correct!

 

[Neo]

Hi Neo -- It is as you see it . I do not. I don't let others tell me what a word Christ has said means. I look in GODS word an ask.
Matthew 4:17
Mat 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, saying, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand."
Mat 10:7 And preach as you go, saying, 'The kingdom of heaven is at hand.'

Mat 11:11 Truly, I say to you, among those born of women there has risen no one greater than John the Baptist; yet he who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.
Jhn 3:5 Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
Act 14:22 strengthening the souls of the disciples, exhorting them to continue in the faith, and saying that through many tribulations we must enter the kingdom of God.

Rom 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not food and drink but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit;

You know Airclean, words are important. We need to know and agree on the meanings of them, otherwise no one would be able to understand each other.

The only worse thing about words than not knowing their meaning, is creating personal doctrines and dogmas based on that 'not knowing'.

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Also, I don't see in anything in those quotes of yours to indicate that the Kingdom of God is not "within".

Mat 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, saying, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand."

Yes, the Kingdom is "at hand", because it's always there to be discovered, i.e. to become aware of.

Jhn 3:5 Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

The being born of "water" (as opposed to earth) is the 2nd of 5 Initiations into the Mysteries . The 5 Initiations leads Humanity into the next Kingdom of Nature, the Kingdom of God.

Whereas Humanity is by definition "The Thinker", residents of the next Kingdom use "intuition" more than just thought. If enough people became aware of their intuitive aspect then we would in effect be living in a "lighted world".

Act 14:22 strengthening the souls of the disciples, exhorting them to continue in the faith, and saying that through many tribulations we must enter the kingdom of God.

"We" enter the Kingdom of God, we are simply not taken there for our faith alone, our tribulations are etched out in the Path. "We" walk the five folded Way, the Path consisting of Birth, Baptism, Transfiguration, Crucifixion and Resurrection; (there's also a 6th Initiation called Ascension but very little has been written about it, probably because it would be so far above our heads).

Rom 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not food and drink but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit;

Yea, this Kingdom of God is not physical matter, it exists on the inner Spiritual Plane and is reachable only by those either on the Path, known in the Bible as the "elect", or those Who have already completed the Path, known as the Masters of Wisdom", and known in Bible the "perfected Ones".

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I know this is all my doctrine, as much as you have yours but if anything I thought you may at least find it interesting.

Neo.

 

[Graeme Decarie]

I think this issue gets all tangled up because we choose to think of God as a person - one who thinks like we do. That's why some of us may a great fuss about having faith solely so that we shall be saved - and that surely negates the whole thrust of the teaching of Jesus. (yes. I know there are passages that suggest that faith is the central issue. But to make it the central issue is to think quite selfishly - as people often do though, one would hope, not God.

 

[airclean33]

Hi Neo--Your post--

Yes, the Kingdom is "at hand", because it's always there to be discovered, i.e. to become aware of.



The being born of "water" (as opposed to earth) is the 2nd of 5 Initiations into the Mysteries . The 5 Initiations leads Humanity into the next Kingdom of Nature, the Kingdom of God.

Whereas Humanity is by definition "The Thinker", residents of the next Kingdom use "intuition" more than just thought. If enough people became aware of their intuitive aspect then we would in effect be living in a "lighted world".

Act 14:22 strengthening the souls of the disciples, exhorting them to continue in the faith, and saying that through many tribulations we must enter the kingdom of God..

[/QUOTE]---Hears you first Idea-- the Kingdom is "at hand", because it's always there to be discovered, Airclean-- where do you get this from ?

Secound you come up with this Idea.--
Jhn 3:5 Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
Do you understand you come into this world as Humankind in a bag of water?
Did Christ not say you must be born again ? The second birth is by the Holy Spirit .By GOD and become a child of GOD.. John 1:13 if you read , you may also note GOD is in charge of this and He is SPIRIT.
Then you come up with acts 14;22.. How are you if you are the disciples, exhorting them to continue in the faith, and saying that through many tribulations we must enter the kingdom of God..If that Kingdom is inside you? Also if it us who is to save us. What need of Christ? I do not believe you have this right Neo.