Where is your faith at?

[Luce NDs]

Sounds like a lovely trip!

The outcome is questionable ... given the detestable functions tending towards failure ... today can one depend on much? No!

Thus the drain hole ... a good place to store thoughts that the advance power believe stink ... and they can't hold their water ... hear that tinkle ... it is the leak from that higher wealth ... once extracted they will not be Charon ... no Moonies!

 

[Waterfall]

The outcome is questionable ... given the detestable functions tending towards failure ... today can one depend on much? No!

Thus the drain hole ... a good place to store thoughts that the advance power believe stink ... and they can't hold their water ... hear that tinkle ... it is the leak from that higher wealth ... once extracted they will not be Charon ... no Moonies!

Think positive, it helps to make it happen.

 

[Mendalla]

Unless you're an electron.

(bad, I know)

 

[Luce NDs]

Unless you're an electron.

(bad, I know)

Wooden ... that be part of the elect stand-up ... deals, trunks, or strong stems? Back into the forest we goes ... wiggles? Princes of darkness? Wabbit ... perhaps our Boise ... where DaVine Chi (X) went to smolder ... mysteriously ... log that down! Truffle as what ...

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

Questioning. Realizing how important it is to question beliefs and why one holds them, today. It’s more political than people realize - and how they can pull people in a harmful direction and co-opt their values in harmful ways. Some belief systems might say that utilitarianism is a moral good because it gets rid of scourges caused by particular “inferior” humans. Others say that getting beyond utilitarianism is the higher moral good (and even to leave room to forgive the utilitarians at some point if they’re targeting you or your group - but speak up about that behaviour). I think so. Guard your heart and mind as best you can without being cold (or too hotheaded) today. It’s not getting easier, though.

How Mysticism and Pseudoscience Became Central to Nazism

Supernatural ideas were widespread at the turn of the 20th century, especially in Germany. But in the social crisis following World War I, esoteric and border-science ideas became a powerful tool of Nazi mobilization, directed at demonizing Jews and the Left.

jacobin.com

 

[Mendalla]

Realizing how important it is to question beliefs and why one holds them, today.

Quoted for truth, as we used to say on another board. It's what drew me to UU'ism. It actually encourages questioning and exploration. I think some progressive schools of Christianity are getting good at it, too. Still, organized religion inevitably sees a need for cohesion and assumes doctrine and central control of belief using doctrine is the way to get that. Too bad, because there are other ways. Just the dedication to a "free and responsible search for truth and meaning" does it in UU'ism.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

Utilitarianism is fundamentally evil and opposed to life, and to compassion, and to global fairness and shared humanity. It proposes worthy lives and unworthy lives and has been at the root of abhorrent movements. It’s tyranny. Systems and structures and societies - businesses, governments, the war machine - that depend on it are responsible for much of the injustice in this world. The world would be a better place without utilitarianism as a human principle. That’s a statement I’m not going to defend further - people will try to crush me until I’m “useless” and discard anyway so I’m just going to leave it here - and embrace the inverted power of uselessness in a system I reject. It’s punk rock.

 

[Mendalla]

Utilitarianism is fundamentally evil and opposed to life, and to compassion, and to global fairness and shared humanity. It proposes worthy lives and unworthy lives and has been at the root of abhorrent movements. It’s tyranny.

That can be said about many spiritual traditions and schools of philosophy. Utilitarianism as a philosophical position is no worse than any other philosophical school. It doesn't exclude compassion and doesn't actually define "useful" out of the box but explores the meaning. It's a valid position to take and argue, including arguing what "useful" actually means.

Utilitarianism as a political position has been a problem because those claiming/embracing it have tended to define "useful" in economic (able to work, for instance, or having sufficient resources to employ others and make more resources through owning companies or whatever) or social (contributing in a way seen as appropriate by society) terms.

 

[Delightful Life]

My faith is still a mongrel
I will never completely divest myself of Discordianism
Still incorporating Animism into my Christianity ("You got a plant helper in my Communion Wine! You got a Communion Wafer in my Rock Painting!!!")
Still have faith in Humanity
Still lazy-adjacient (just like reality--I'm lookin at you, Thermodynamic Laws!!!)
Still existing in an ever-changing, multivalued, non-simultaneously occuring incidences of space-like and time-like events
And so it goes

 

[Delightful Life]

That can be said about many spiritual traditions and schools of philosophy. Utilitarianism as a philosophical position is no worse than any other philosophical school. It doesn't exclude compassion and doesn't actually define "useful" out of the box but explores the meaning. It's a valid position to take and argue, including arguing what "useful" actually means.

Utilitarianism as a political position has been a problem because those claiming/embracing it have tended to define "useful" in economic (able to work, for instance, or having sufficient resources to employ others and make more resources through owning companies or whatever) or social (contributing in a way seen as appropriate by society) terms.

Gouda explaining there, m'dear

Pretty much any philosophy, governance mode, etc can and has been used for bad...even Buddhism apparently has been used by various states to control its population

Even Soviet Communism, amongst the horrors, did some things really well (esp for that time.period)

I keep remembering how Eugenics was supported by Progressives at the time...more into my idea of beliefs have us rather than the other way around...

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

Others’ beliefs in things like utilitarianism can have us eliminated.

The Protestant west started eugenics. It was the evil root of what became Nazi genocide. There’s not much you can do if a powerful system doesn’t think you have any human rights at all even if you believe something different. You have no voice or personhood or system to support you to defend your own beliefs. Then your own beliefs don’t have you, others’ do and you can’t do much about it. I hope that isn’t in our future.

 

[ninj]

I find "beliefs" a bit weird now. Like you have to adopt something you didn't have before, or a parcel containing a lot of things, but you agree with only 2 or 3.

 

[Luce NDs]

I find "beliefs" a bit weird now. Like you have to adopt something you didn't have before, or a parcel containing a lot of things, but you agree with only 2 or 3.

Then that excuse for 2 out of 3 ain't bad either? There be additions to quintessence ... that's the first half of the 10 on rules ... outside of that soul and spirit ... incompatible to rules ... there are responsible for the learning balance ... yet one side hates the other to know and thus vast spots of devoid matter ... where stuff gets sucked in ... that's out if you are opposed to everything!

It may be an ignitable situation ... explosive ... following with an implosion! Then one is sucked up like there was a tornado ... maybe just a great fish! Gives the sea a fecund bottom ... entrepreneurs are talking about mining it ... recall that will take a lot of mucking about ... in what else but ... old stuff!

Comes down to that in the abstract ... an imaginative thing like comprehending and abstract! Some construct eh? Virtue all-unseen ... been to sea will??? These sometimes cross the line of vision that is below the horizontal ... bummers? Chewing their way up in the food chain ... brae in worming ... a niche vocation!