Where is your faith at?

[Waterfall]

To add to my points to unsafe above, I maintain it's important to laugh in the face of threats. It defangs them. It lays them bare as the impotent intimidation tactics they are.

Because they are presented as sincere threats, humour works against them. You then think you can mock me back with images you found online, and that's not working. It's not working because I'm not threatening anyone. Not even you. So your posts yesterday just come off as immature and not funny.

I get that your beliefs exclude the possibility that anyone else's beliefs could possibly be of value. But you can't show that. In fact, the beliefs you hold have been shown to have negative consequences, despite your claims.

This is your problem to sort out - not mine. As long as you come here with "my way or the highway" beliefs, most of us are going to look at you blankly and choose highway, if we give your posts any serious consideration at all.

I believe she's entitled to her opinion and you to yours....

 

[Mendalla]

I believe she's entitled to her opinion and you to yours....

It's not her opinion that's the problem he is addressing, though. It's the fact that she doesn't recognize that it's an opinion. She claims absolute truth and dismisses other opinions. I am quite happy for her to believe what she believes, but slamming other members, including the ministers, for holding other ideas is not conducive to dialogue. It's preaching, not discussion or debate. To have those, you have to start with the attitude that other ideas and opinions are valid and worthy of discussion.

 

[chansen]

I believe she's entitled to her opinion and you to yours....

unsafe is absolutely entitled to her opinion, and I'm allowed to comment on those beliefs.

I'm not even worried about her animations - they clearly fall flat and show how frustrated she is when people don't take her beliefs seriously.

 

[Luce NDs]

More than likely scripture was written and decided on what beliefs would be included in the Orthodox New Testament by Rome....despite the fact that there were many forms of Christian beliefs that surrounded Italy but were regarded as heretical by the Orthodox Church. Heretical, meaning anything that disagreed with the Orthodox interpretation. Rome had the greatest numbers by population, organization and money which basically led to influence and control over other ways to regard Christianity..... eventually they dominated by insisting that only they held the proper way to believe.

Can one say this safely in the private arena of the Roman over hand that will beat the crap out of the public support?

Does this indicate sacrifice or martyrdom ... what ever something has to go ... who gives?

This may answer the enigma of AI that is pure logic and really has no need of care ... and thus it could be deadly and toxic ... Fred Wilkes once explained to me that all things were toxic when taken to the extreme ...

Some MS Software engineers explained that the thing was a monster ... this just before Y2 Kaye ... isn't that awesome? Kaye is everywhere ... as a demi form of Ж that was ZHE of classic nature ... thus choqhan ... in franc terms that dirt ... fertile? If you dip there it becomes complexity personified!

Have you seen ZHE item of essence?

 

[chansen]

It's true we've been over points like these on this site and its predecessor a number of times, but it still demonstrates the dilemma Christianity finds itself in: If you have an inclusive faith, you're not compelling enough for many to want to join. If you make grander claims of exclusivity, those claims are weak and they get mocked to oblivion.

So what's Christianity to do? I don't know.

 

[Luce NDs]

It's not her opinion that's the problem he is addressing, though. It's the fact that she doesn't recognize that it's an opinion. She claims absolute truth and dismisses other opinions. I am quite happy for her to believe what she believes, but slamming other members, including the ministers, for holding other ideas is not conducive to dialogue. It's preaching, not discussion or debate. To have those, you have to start with the attitude that other ideas and opinions are valid and worthy of discussion.

Its like Hum Dee ... off the wall ... a note above the "c" ...

 

[Luce NDs]

It's true we've been over points like these on this site and its predecessor a number of times, but it still demonstrates the dilemma Christianity finds itself in: If you have an inclusive faith, you're not compelling enough for many to want to join. If you make grander claims of exclusivity, those claims are weak and they get mocked to oblivion.

So what's Christianity to do? I don't know.

Does Christianity need to explode or implode so as to collect the ashes? Maybe we can get Willie N. to sing for it ..

 

[chansen]

It would probably get mixed up with other ashes.

 

[Luce NDs]

It would probably get mixed up with other ashes.

Chaos is thus bred all anew ... the stirring sense of ... stuff that can't be mentioned in proper company as propped!

Folk on a stick ... skewered or approached by Dean Martin ... Don of the Wessels? He too ran with the pack ...

 

[WhyCzar]

All Scripture is God-breathed [given by divine inspiration]

Well, if they are given by divine inspiration here is hoping that you will find a bit more divine inspiration as you relay your interpretation of the scriptures going forward. I have one question left for you - do you actually read a hard copy of the Bible and meditate on that or do you always go to the internet to verify your personal "beliefs"?

I was Baptized as a baby and from a small kid thru my early teens I went through catechism, attended Bible camps in the summers, memorized parts of the Bible, learned a lot of the stories, and know a lot of the songs - yet I am not a believer.

I have friends and relatives who are very religious and they're always saying how their faith gets them through every day life and that is perfectly fine with me. On those rare occasions where people push their religion on me, I have a lot of questions but still no absolute faith that Jesus is the only right answer.

So to me, the choice is "faith in religion" versus the reality of my subjective experience.

I still have faith that no one is going to hell because they have not asked Jesus to save them.

God is just one of the Aliases that is useful to account for the mystery as I see it.

"Each to their own and know thyself" is my overall philosophy.

@unsafe If heaven exists I look forward to meeting you there.

 

[unsafe]

She claims absolute truth and dismisses other opinions.

I do not --I claim what I personal believe and that is God's word -----I do not dismiss other opinions ---that is a lie ---I simply quote what I believe and tell others they can believe what they want ----

So you make that statement and Now prove it ---show me where I ever dismissed others opinion ----proof please ----

 

[Mendalla]

I do not --I claim what I personal believe and that is God's word -----I do not dismiss other opinions ---that is a lie ---I simply quote what I believe and tell others they can believe what they want ----

So you make that statement and Now prove it ---show me where I ever dismissed others opinion ----proof please ----

And yet you keep attacking the ministers on WC2 for incorrect preaching and accuse them of misleading their congregants. How does that fit with what you just said here?

 

[unsafe]

And yet you keep attacking the ministers on WC2 for incorrect preaching and accuse them of misleading their congregants. How does that fit with what you just said here?

Mandalla --your grasping at straws ---I don't attack GordW ----If GodW says something that i don't agree with I tell Him that ---just the same as I will tell anyone that I do not agree with them ---and I give my view ----

When i speak of Ministers today who do not adhere to the Word I am talking in general to what is being preached out in this world today -----I am not attacking GordW who is on this sight ----as he is the only Minister that speaks on any threads I am involved in ----

And I have agreed with GodW on a couple of occasions -----

I think you people have the problem accepting what I believe and can't stand the scripture that i quote cause it gets under your skin and you don't want to see it so you come aboard me stating I am the one who won't accept you people ----

I don't care what you all believe ----

I am a very happy --healthy girl at 78--years old -no sickness --no disease --on no medications ---great blood pressure -no arthritis ---no joint pains or any other pains -- ---in my 78 year old body so I will stick with my belief in the Scripture -----CAUSE it works for me----

 

[BetteTheRed]

I would suggest that some people can explain their personal faith in such a way that informs, and invites discussion. Some don't have such a talent.

Also, every personality type has a varying tolerance for ambiguity; the ability to hold two or more opposing views in your mind/psyche. It's almost a requirement to be a religious Jewish person (it's also perfectly okay in Judaism to be an atheist or a Buddhist).

 

[chansen]

I am a very happy --healthy girl at 78--years old -no sickness --no disease --on no medications ---great blood pressure -no arthritis ---no joint pains or any other pains -- ---in my 78 year old body so I will stick with my belief in the Scripture -----CAUSE it works for me----

Do you understand that there are similarly healthy atheists, and dissimilarly dead Christians who believed like you do?

How do you think your experiences apply to anyone else? How do you ignore all examples that don't conform to your beliefs?

 

[Waterfall]

I would suggest that some people can explain their personal faith in such a way that informs, and invites discussion. Some don't have such a talent.

Also, every personality type has a varying tolerance for ambiguity; the ability to hold two or more opposing views in your mind/psyche. It's almost a requirement to be a religious Jewish person (it's also perfectly okay in Judaism to be an atheist or a Buddhist).

Heck Jesus was probably considered a heretic in his day.

 

[jimkenney12]

Heck Jesus was probably considered a heretic in his day.

He was which is why he was crucified.
Lately I find I get tired quickly when I am on the computer so I am not on Wonder Cafe very often.

I am still refining my faith and how I communicate it. Like many or most people, I am just getting tired from all the crap in the world. Trump's attacks on democracy and anyone he does not like. Putin. Netanyahu. Sudan. PP. Carney taking care of corporations. Smith in my home province.

I also got tired planning our trip from Feb into April to NZ, Australia, Borneo, and Bali and then a family trip to Mexico at Christmas time. Last Saturday we learned the rules for the Condominium limit the number of people in the condo to seven people. Four members of B's family are staying in the same area and we were looking forward to family time together. Our family includes us, three children, and two grandchildren. Now Air Transit pilots could go on strike on Wednesday which is how five of us are travelling.

Rambling on is a sign I should have quit about three paragraphs. God/Holy Mystery is good all the time.

 

[Waterfall]

He was which is why he was crucified.
Lately I find I get tired quickly when I am on the computer so I am not on Wonder Cafe very often.

I am still refining my faith and how I communicate it. Like many or most people, I am just getting tired from all the crap in the world. Trump's attacks on democracy and anyone he does not like. Putin. Netanyahu. Sudan. PP. Carney taking care of corporations. Smith in my home province.

I also got tired planning our trip from Feb into April to NZ, Australia, Borneo, and Bali and then a family trip to Mexico at Christmas time. Last Saturday we learned the rules for the Condominium limit the number of people in the condo to seven people. Four members of B's family are staying in the same area and we were looking forward to family time together. Our family includes us, three children, and two grandchildren. Now Air Transit pilots could go on strike on Wednesday which is how five of us are travelling.

Rambling on is a sign I should have quit about three paragraphs. God/Holy Mystery is good all the time.

Sounds like a lovely trip!

 

[Luce NDs]

Do you understand that there are similarly healthy atheists, and dissimilarly dead Christians who believed like you do?

How do you think your experiences apply to anyone else? How do you ignore all examples that don't conform to your beliefs?

With the friction between similarity and dissimilarity ... is it wonder that they lie down to rest between the uppish and down ease? Thus even the gods rest when tired of conflict and competition ... all in a great bed that is bottomless ... a vast pit? That's awled out ... gone! Nothing's left! My gran pappy often spoke of it ... nothing as a challenge to grasp! It does provide a resonant hollow or vale ...

 

[Luce NDs]

Heck Jesus was probably considered a heretic in his day.

I'm reading Kirsch's tome on Inquisition ... it is based on such heresy that goes against human declarations of being ... what else ... right! Maybe something misted ... and the cloud descended ... biblical eh? Like a swam of thorns to the donkey leading ... that's the dawn rising ... burning man!

Like nothing to wit ... not a clue!