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He was supposedly a Muslim prophet. As was Jesus. Each new Abrahamic religion loves to claim that they are the ones who finally got it right.
 
Saudi Arabia has denounced the killings as a "cowardly terrorist attack that was rejected by the true Islamic religion."

To show the world how Islam really treats people who speak out against it, they are only going to flog a blogger who insulted Islam 1,000 times, fine him $266,000 USD and jail him for 10 years.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/08/saudi-arabia-blogger-raif-badawi-public-flogging

See? Those guys who killed a dozen people because some of them dared to insult Islam weren't really acting as Islam teaches. In Saudi Arabia, the Muslim judges would have only had the cartoonists beaten thousands of times, fined them their entire life savings, and thrown them in jail for a decade or so. Real Islamic rule of law is so much more tolerant in a country like Saudi Arabia.
 
chansen said:
He was supposedly a Muslim prophet. As was Jesus. Each new Abrahamic religion loves to claim that they are the ones who finally got it right.
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Jesus and Abraham were Jewish, but according to Sheikh Ahmed Aeedat everyone who submits to God is Muslim , and according to Dr. Zakir Naik so are Christians. Of course being a christian myself i know im not Muslim , but that's there way of trying to justify there faith
 
and Moses may have been two people -- a peaceful follower of Akhenaten in Egypt and then he was murdered by an Egyptian fanatic who took his place (cf. Freud's Moses & Monotheism) -- which would be kinda trippy, because it would mean that all Christians today are really Egyptians...man, this game needs a score card like in baseball or a mind map

oh, the trap of the is of identity

what a wor(l)d!
 
Some people apparently don't understand the implication of the spirit throughout the world Jae, perhaps we have to escape reality to see this from beyond our own emotions (manifestation of spirit)! Just one step out ... one daze at a time
dear lord of the Dark Ness! Perhaps without contrast you can't see it ... it is a duo feature in Light ... some when it is ... and times when it isn't as defined across spatial times! Deuces are wild ... and de deble watches as Big Bro' there ... outa 'ere!

Alas many won't go there as it is dark and abstract ... and real populations fear (allal) any respect and reverence for things that are related to unknown intellect ... like creations wisdom as like the myth ... it goes on and isn't eunoched! Only stics would try and fix god as an unknown in a book, or boque .. a Ephraim a bouquet like the flighty spirit ... eM is a population of angels in dark an lighter forms ... bubbly or fermenting form as in the Song of Sole A'mon ... without etude of myth ... how would one know?

Now did Einstein draw from imagination, or abstract conscious Ness?

Do rigid people hate creepy changes that they don't understand? Why technology should slow down and process ... if you stop and turn around you might see the ass in history ... hynd sight as Dejah "Vu" (that's Nous in Greek as intimate state)! The advantage in looking at things many ways ... like fly on the wahl or spy deire ... multifaceted vision of human psyche that is denied ... bi mono theists ... spelled as deists in another tradition ... but would we expect the significant other to envision this? The things we don't know can be destructive ... the devil you know versus ... is that high-lari-Us?

Tell me there is no multi-stringed sacred chord ... that arrives as Po Go -ist ...
 
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blackbelt1961 said:
Abraham submitted to God , he wasn't a Muslim
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He was a Muslim as much, or as little, as Jesus was a Christian?

Muslims revere a long line of "Prophets of God," starting with Adam, including Abraham, Moses, and Jesus, and culminating in Mohammed.
 
[QUOTE="Hermann, He was a Muslim as much, or as little, as Jesus was a Christian?

I never said Jesus was a christian


Muslims revere a long line of "Prophets of God," starting with Adam, including Abraham, Moses, and Jesus, and culminating in Mohammed.
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not according to the old testament & new testament , only according to the Muslims. Islam began through the linage of Ishmael the son of Abraham & his concubine Sara.

not according to the old testament & new testament , only according to the Muslims. Islam began through the linage of Ishmael the son of Abraham & his concubine Sara.

we know in the old testament by Gods very first law "You shall have no other gods before Me" would indicate that there are other gods in the world,( they are false gods but that is another subject ) so Islam meaning one who submits to god, the question would be which god?, according to prophet Mohammed who spoke of a god not like the God of the OT or the God of Jesus Christ , we would have to conclude that the Muslims prophets and false prophets and not of the Creator.
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BetteTheRed said:
I don't think Abraham was Jewish, actually. No-one was Jewish until they received the Law from Moses.
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It was much later than that.

Israel received the Law from Moses and individuals within the nation were considered Israelites. It was sometime after the death of David that the kingdom of Israel is divided into Northern and Southern constituencies. The Northern Kingdom kept the name Israel whereas the Southern Kingdom comprised of two of the 12 tribes was dominated by the tribe of Judah from whence comes the identifier Jew.

The peoples of the Northern Kingdom intermarried with other peoples in the controlling empire at the time of their demise and would later be identified as Samaritans.

The peoples of the Southern Kingdom apparently resisted the integration with other people in the controlling empire and maintained their tribal identity even up to their return to ancestral lands.
 
chansen said:
Saudi Arabia has denounced the killings as a "cowardly terrorist attack that was rejected by the true Islamic religion."

To show the world how Islam really treats people who speak out against it, they are only going to flog a blogger who insulted Islam 1,000 times, fine him $266,000 USD and jail him for 10 years.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/08/saudi-arabia-blogger-raif-badawi-public-flogging

See? Those guys who killed a dozen people because some of them dared to insult Islam weren't really acting as Islam teaches. In Saudi Arabia, the Muslim judges would have only had the cartoonists beaten thousands of times, fined them their entire life savings, and thrown them in jail for a decade or so. Real Islamic rule of law is so much more tolerant in a country like Saudi Arabia.
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Moderate-tolerant and peaceful - verging on progressive - Muslims (they exist in greater numbers in non-Muslim countries, obviously, because they can) need to stand up and let the world know that they denounce extremism and show there's another way. I can't think of another, better, way to turn the tide. The world needs them to do this. It'll be hugely risky for those living in Muslim countries like Saudi Arabia. Like the women drivers - the risk they have to take to speak out like that is greater than anything we deal with here. So, why aren't more Muslim groups here speaking up?
 
You'd have to ask them. They are doing a good job of speaking out against the criminals in France, but part of the problem is not necessarily the Islamic fundamentalists, but the fundamentals of Islam (with apologies to Sam Harris). They have scriptural backing for what they are doing to Raif Badawi. They have scriptural reasons for not letting women drive, or be found alone with a man who is not their husband.
 
chansen said:
You'd have to ask them. They are doing a good job of speaking out against the criminals in France, but part of the problem is not necessarily the Islamic fundamentalists, but the fundamentals of Islam (with apologies to Sam Harris). They have scriptural backing for what they are doing to Raif Badawi. They have scriptural reasons for not letting women drive, or be found alone with a man who is not their husband.
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But, like what people have determined are the fundementals of Christianity (some would say that the fundementals of Christianity are "love God...and like unto it...love your neighbour, but others would say it's all about opposing same sex marriage and that only men can be preachers in church, and that the bible is to be read literally, they tend to be the loudest, unfortunately - doesn't make them right) - moderate Muslims need to define, or redefine, for the world, the fundementals - what's important to their faith. Those are the fundamentals. They are a choice.
 
Kimmio said:
But, like what people have determined are the fundementals of Christianity (some would say that the fundementals of Christianity are "love God...and like unto it...love your neighbour, but others would say it's all about opposing same sex marriage and that only men can be preachers in church, and that the bible is to be read literally, they tend to be the loudest, unfortunately - doesn't make them right) - moderate Muslims need to define, or redefine, for the world, the fundementals - what's important to their faith. Those are the fundamentals. They are a choice. They have been a choice, how they are interpreted and learned, as the stories even suggest, since the beginnings of Abrahimic religion. In the first place, Islam came about because of a choice to depart from Christianity and Judaism, didn't it? Christianity was a departure from legalistic "fundementals" of Judaism. In the west, today, making a choice to look at faith in a new way comes with less of a price for those who risk it, than in Saudi Arabia. That's why I'd like to see more Muslims stand up in Western countries, peacefully, and open up a new way. There's not much that non-Muslims can do to stop it - that creates even more conflict. It has to come from Muslims.
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Kimmio said:
But, like what people have determined are the fundementals of Christianity (some would say that the fundementals of Christianity are "love God...and like unto it...love your neighbour, but others would say it's all about opposing same sex marriage and that only men can be preachers in church, and that the bible is to be read literally, they tend to be the loudest, unfortunately - doesn't make them right) - moderate Muslims need to define, or redefine, for the world, the fundementals - what's important to their faith. Those are the fundamentals. They are a choice.
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And like Christianity, the scripture remains unchanged, ready to be used again by fundamentalist nutcases for their own purposes and to fuel their religious delusions.

The words are old, society has changed, and they were probably not all written with the best intentions in the first place. To take them as true, severely limits your wiggle room. And, it gives credibility to the worst parts.
 
chansen said:
And like Christianity, the scripture remains unchanged, ready to be used again by fundamentalist nutcases for their own purposes and to fuel their religious delusions.

The words are old, society has changed, and they were probably not all written with the best intentions in the first place. To take them as true, severely limits your wiggle room. And, it gives credibility to the worst parts.
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If you got rid of scripture - or simply denounced it all - the way humans are - people could just as easily misinterpret other books and movies. Religions would form around stories, still. There would be people who pandered to the worst aspects of stories, whether they involve a diety or not. They would revere something or someone to be an authority on what to think. And those who looked to the most humane interpretations. And, besides, what was seen as good intentions 1500+ years ago doesn't fit with what we understand to be good intentions for a more harmonious world now (well, I do think Jesus "fundementally" understood that it all comes down to caring for people, especially the most marginalized. He also understood that it would be a long road to get there - with roadblocks to be overcome along the way).
 
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