What Are The Building Blocks Of Our Faith ?

[Mendalla]

On the original topic, for me the building blocks of faith are the ways I experience and understand the world.

Curiosity about how things are.

Imagination to see things in different ways and how things fit together.

Reason to work through and understand ideas and problems

Learning about ideas through reading, studies, discussions like this, and so on​

How I understand and engage with the world develops from what I learn through these. It's a bit different from what I think
@unsafe is trying to get at but, then again, @unsafe and I are in different worlds spiritually.

 

[revsdd]

I don't know that there is a true Christ-like figure in Pastafarianism. True, the FSM boiled for our sins, but did He come back? Was he overcooked and managed to return just a little al dente? I don't know.

You know - the pasta sauce does look a bit like the FSM's blood. Just saying. (Unless it's Alfredo sauce, of course. But that would be heresy.)

 

[unsafe]

BetteTheRed -------your quote ------It's hardly a "personal choice", unsafe. I could no more believe the things that you do than wake up quacking like a duck. If there's an elect, per Calvin, some people, by their personality, are clearly not "in"...

Calvinism ---is a man made religion ------as is all Religion -----

1588. eklektos ---http://biblehub.com/greek/1588.htm

this is what the elect means ------Typically,1588/ eklektós ("select, chosen") describes people who choose to follow the Lord, i.e. become God's choice by freely receiving faith (4102/pístis) from Him. Accordingly, these two terms are directly connected (see Tit 1:1; Lk 18:7,8).

It is definitely a personal choice -----we either accept by Faith that Jesus Christ died to save all people in the world as He took all sins of the world upon Himself --He Took all sickness ---all Disease all infirmities with Him on the Cross ---or we reject that notion and the Scripture is very clear ---if you Reject Jesus you Reject God ----therefore our choice is ours and we have to take responsibility for our choice ------Here are many scriptures ----read them yourself ---not my words ---God's words -----

Matthew 10:33
Verse Concepts
"But whoever denies Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father who is in heaven.

http://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Rejection-Of-God,-Results-Of

63 Bible Verses about
Rejection Of God, Results Of

 

[Jaebius]

...therefore our choice is ours and we have to take responsibility for our choice ------Here are many scriptures ----read them yourself ---not my words ---God's words -----

Matthew 10:33
Verse Concepts
"But whoever denies Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father who is in heaven.

http://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Rejection-Of-God,-Results-Of

63 Bible Verses about
Rejection Of God, Results Of

Right, I agree that the Bible indicates that it is possible to reject God. Now, can you please post some Scripture that speaks of our necessity to accept God?

 

[unsafe]

My God is not a pressure God Pr.Jae ---you may have a different God than I do ----He gives His Creation a choice to accept or decline His offer to spend eternal life with Him in Heaven or to spend time with Satan in Hell ------He does want all His Creation to accept and be with Him but there is no pressure applied by my God for us to do so ----- He leaves that up to us is my belief ------He has set the path up to us to choose ----

Here are some scripture on Accept life -----Read all here ---https://www.openbible.info/topics/choose_life

Romans 6:23ESV /

For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

75 Bible Verses about Choose Life

Deuteronomy 30:19ESV / 86 helpful votes
I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse. Therefore choose life, that you and your offspring may live,

 

[Mendalla]

Right, I agree that the Bible indicates that it is possible to reject God. Now, can you please post some Scripture that speaks of our necessity to accept God?

Hmm. Is "not reject" the same as "accept" and vice versa? I mean, I have not accepted God, but I'm not sure I've really rejected God either so much as left God as a question waiting to be answered (or not as things go).

 

[Jaebius]

Hmm. Is "not reject" the same as "accept" and vice versa? I mean, I have not accepted God, but I'm not sure I've really rejected God either so much as left God as a question waiting to be answered (or not as things go).

The way I believe to be true Mendalla... God gives us his grace. We can then choose to reject it or not reject it. If we choose to not reject it, God's grace is sufficient to save us, and strengthen our trust in Christ. "Acceptance" as in the phrase "accept Jesus into your heart" simply doesn't fit into the equation.

 

[RitaTG]

My nickel's worth......
I look for persons that have lives that exhibit the goodness I want to have in my life.
The fruits of the Spirit if you will ......
These are the ones that I feel have been successful and I respect.
I will ask them ....... I will not ask or allow myself to be taught by those that have not been successful.
There I have only found noise and legalism and endless arguing rather than results.
I have found great mentors in very unusual places

 

[BetteTheRed]

It isn't by their personality Bette. According to Calvinism, at least the most extreme form thereof, God's sovereign choice has nothing to do with anything we are (for example personality, gender, age, etc.) or have done.

But clearly, it requires that prior to their death, they have arrived at a belief in a theistic, supernatural god. Since that isn't going to happen to me, short of some sort of traumatic brain injury, I have to assume that I'm not of the elect.

 

[Luce NDs]

How can Christians know of God if they hold the ideal that god says we shouldn't know?

Is that contrary or just obtuse ... obTous .. related to ob Nous ... dark neurological functions!

 

[Luce NDs]

Being of the in-elect ... is that like being in outlander heaven? Sounds like fun without all those manmade roué's!

Some say in reality this is a ruse ... thus we should stick with the virtue-eL as it goes ...

 

[Jaebius]

But clearly, it requires that prior to their death, they have arrived at a belief in a theistic, supernatural god. Since that isn't going to happen to me, short of some sort of traumatic brain injury, I have to assume that I'm not of the elect.

Well... it requires that you have faith. Whether or not you are aware of having said faith may be a different concern. I need backup here. Where's @revjohn

 

[unsafe]

Pr.Jae -----your quote -----"Acceptance" as in the phrase "accept Jesus into your heart" simply doesn't fit into the equation.

We accept and or receive Jesus by Faith Pr.Jae ------


KJV Dictionary Definition: accept
accept
ACCEPT', v.t.L. accepto, from accipio, ad and capio, to take.

1. To take or receive what is offered, with a consenting mind; to receive with approbation or favor.

In theology, acceptance with God implies forgiveness of sins and reception into his favor.


Bible verses related to Accepting Christ from the King James Version (KJV) by Relevance

-https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Bible-Verses-About-Accepting-Christ/

Romans 10:9- That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Acts 2:38- Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

 

[Luce NDs]

Are ghosts physical material ... or metaphysical ... mere essence ... like brain farts? Stinking thoughts!

 

[chansen]

Pr.Jae -----your quote -----"Acceptance" as in the phrase "accept Jesus into your heart" simply doesn't fit into the equation.

We accept and or receive Jesus by Faith Pr.Jae ------


KJV Dictionary Definition: accept
accept
ACCEPT', v.t.L. accepto, from accipio, ad and capio, to take.

1. To take or receive what is offered, with a consenting mind; to receive with approbation or favor.

In theology, acceptance with God implies forgiveness of sins and reception into his favor.


Bible verses related to Accepting Christ from the King James Version (KJV) by Relevance

-https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Bible-Verses-About-Accepting-Christ/

Romans 10:9- That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Acts 2:38- Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

I think this is where it is still important to not be silent, and to categorically state that I do not accept this stupid idea. To further clarify, I reject the concept completely. It makes no sense, it makes no improvements on anything, and I want no part of it.

 

[Luce NDs]

With light or levity in your heart could an emotion blow the place and cause thought to creep in?

 

[Neo]

We do make a choice in matters. While grace may wash across us like sunlight, it's up to us to either look up and into the light or to continue looking to the ground, and I mean this in the most symbolic way possible.

Those who look up are akin to being newly born, everything is new and shiny again. It's these Souls who are the truly "elect". But not just the very young, but rather the whole gamut of Souls who are waking in the light, e.g all the Souls who are at some degree or another taking control of their personalities. In other words, everyone who works on the ascending arc of evolution as opposed to the decending arc of involution.

In modern times this "elect" is called the Spiritual Hierarchy, e.g. all those from the lowest neophytes, the "babes in Christ", to the disciples, the initiates, the wise men, the sages, the holy men and gurus, right up to the Masters of Wisdom, the "Perfected Ones", and beyond to the Great Ones like the Buddha and the Christ, the Master of all Masters. All are part of the great Spiritual Hierarchy. All are walking with nature, as opposed to against nature.

But a warning comes with this path. There is an old saying that even an Arhat can fall, for there are pitfalls and well defined steps along the way that the disciple and the initiate must learn before reaching the mastery of illusion. The path to salvation is one of sacrifice and service. The path to darkness is one of suffering. The path to the light is never imposed on anyone and only the purest of intentions leads one on this path without error.

If this sounds at all like some Stars Wars saga it's because these ideas are part of an ancient wisdom that's as old as mankind itself. George Lucas knew this and was inspired by the Joseph Campbell book "The Hero with a Thousand Faces", a book of "power of myth and meaning to transcend time, place, culture, gender and spiritual perspective". "The true human experience", Campbell maintains, "is a harmony between the physical (that which we can touch, see, smell, hear and taste), and the spiritual (that which, through myth and symbol, we intuitively, psychologically and instinctively feel)."

Feel the force, it is all around you..

 

[Luce NDs]

Is the force dark ... or just greatly unseen considering the bulk and Maas 've IT?

Only the Shadow knows without doubt ... and that is out there ... sort of like hen's cratching ... or even eastern script as Hindi as part of the entire story as it goes' ton!

I did explain "ton" and "Don" previously as a' priori ... didn't I? Tis a terminal condition when naïveté comes to an end ... like catharsis ... it'll wash ...

 

[BetteTheRed]

You know, Neo, I'm not even sure how much choice we have in the option to look up or down. The quality of the love we receive in the first months of life can forever determine whether our glass is half full or half empty, whether we see abundance or fear scarcity.

 

[Jaebius]

You know, Neo, I'm not even sure how much choice we have in the option to look up or down. The quality of the love we receive in the first months of life can forever determine whether our glass is half full or half empty, whether we see abundance or fear scarcity.

The glass is ever 100% full.