What Are The Building Blocks Of Our Faith ?

[unsafe]

Hi Neo ---your quote ------@@unsafe, I really don't mean to offend you by accusing you of idolatry.----

First of all Neo you don't offend me nor can you offend me about Idolatry -----I can only be offended by people if I allow them to offend me ----I am way passed that stage ----I am in bondage to no one -------

Second your view of idolatry is different than mine ------this is what idolatry in my following means ----


KJV Dictionary Definition: idolatry
idolatry
IDOL'ATRY, n.L. idololatria. Gr. idol, and to worship or serve.

1. The worship of idols, images, or any thing made by hands, or which is not God.

Idolatry is of two kinds; the worship of images, statues, pictures, &c. made by hands; and the worship of the heavenly bodies,the sun, moon and stars, or of demons, angels, men and animals.

2. Excessive attachment or veneration for any thing, or that which borders on adoration.

So your take on my being in idolatry with your comment above ---is in my view not Idolatry -----

You are on a different plane Neo -----when I put a post on this sight ---it is for my following of Jesus Christ who is God and who died to Save all people from going to hell -----which is the second death ----you do not believe in what I believe in ------you have your own Maitreya that you follow -----Maitreya doesn't have literal hell or heaven ----God does ----

this is what you follow ----no where near to my belief ----Maitreya... Both hell and heaven are states of mind, and not places that people go after death, one ...heaven.

Apparently your god lives near London England ---My God resides in His Heavenly kingdom ----a literal place ------My God is Spirit --- ----

According to a London artist Benjamin Creme, Maitreya, the Christ lives in the Asian community in the East End of London, England, UK. In July 1977 Maitreya emerged from His centre in the Himalayas and travelled to London through Pakistan. Since then He has lived in London as an ordinary man concerned with modern problems. Maitreya has been emerging as a spokesman in the Pakistani-Indian community. He is not a religious leader but an educator in the broadest sense, pointing the way out of the present world crisis.

You can read all here about ---Maitreya, -----http://www.einterface.net/gamini/christ.html

IDOL'ATRY, n.L. idololatria. Gr. idol, and to worship or serve.-1. The worship of idols, images, or any thing made by hands, or which is not God.-----Worshiping this statue is Idolatry ---Neo

Big difference in our beliefs Neo -----you enjoy your God -----as I am enjoying mine -------

My God says this about other Gospels -----and I fully trust and believe what this says ---I do not have wavering Faith ------for me there is no other Gospel ---or another way to get into heaven ----

The One Gospel -----Galatians 1 GW

6 I am surprised at you! In no time at all you are deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ,[a]and are accepting another gospel.7 Actually, there is no “other gospel,” but I say this because there are some people who are upsetting you and trying to change the gospel of Christ.8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel that is different from the one we preached to you, may he be condemned to hell!9 We have said it before, and now I say it again: if anyone preaches to you a gospel that is different from the one you accepted, may he be condemned to hell!
10 Does this sound as if I am trying to win human approval? No indeed! What I want is God's approval! Am I trying to be popular with people? If I were still trying to do so, I would not be a servant of Christ.

As I said ----we will know the real truth when we pass on ------

 

[Luce NDs]

Noodling in vacant space?
Are icons on pages ... idols of a sort that the powerful and brute would not like us to understand in depth ... just super on the surface ... facetiae ... don't go any deeper than the idols masque ...

 

[chansen]

What do the Pastafarians call it?

Kindness.

Bolognese sauce.

I don't know that there is a true Christ-like figure in Pastafarianism. True, the FSM boiled for our sins, but did He come back? Was he overcooked and managed to return just a little al dente? I don't know.

 

[Luce NDs]

As I say ... just a bit noodled ... or off it?

 

[Neo]

..Worshiping this statue is Idolatry ---Neo

So you think that because there is a statue of the Maitreya Buddha that people worship it???

I don't believe anyone worships statues, at least not so much in this day and age. Whether it be a statue of the Buddha or a statue the Mother Mary, people have respect for what these things mean, not what they are. When Christians around the world kneel down and pray to a statue of the Mother Mary or to a statue of Jesus on the cross, they are not worshiping the statue itself, but rather they are praying to the concepts or the personas these statues represent. This is practically the same all over the world with religions that have statues of saints and holy figures.

 

[Luce NDs]

Imagine all the idols laid out on the page in stories that are unreal icons! Dark even!

Then there is the shadow of the unseen smile ...

 

[unsafe]

Neo ----What does this say -----this is what Idolatry is

KJV Dictionary Definition: idolatry
idolatry
IDOL'ATRY, n.L. idololatria. Gr. idol, and to worship or serve.

1. The worship of idols, images, or any thing made by hands, or which is not God.

Did God makes any statute ----Mary ---Jesus ----your statue of the Maitreya Buddha ---the pope etc ---all made by man's hands ------when you kneel before a ststute and pray you are worshiping that Statute -----in my view ----maybe not in your view ----we Think different Neo ------

When we kneel down and pray in front of a statue in my view we are worshiping the statue ------this is Idolatry -----

WORSHIP, ---KJV Dictionary ---

To honor with extravagant love and extreme submission; as a lover.
With bended knees I daily worship her.

To perform acts of adoration.

Got Questions -----http://www.gotquestions.org/worship-saints-Mary.html

Roman Catholics attempt to “bypass” these clear Scriptural principles by claiming they do not “worship” Mary or saints, but rather that they only “venerate” Mary and the saints. Using a different word does not change the essence of what is being done. A definition of “venerate” is “to regard with respect or reverence.” Nowhere in the Bible are we told to revere anyone but God alone. There is nothing wrong with respecting those faithful Christians who have gone before us (see Hebrews chapter 11). There is nothing wrong with honoring Mary as the earthly mother of Jesus. The Bible describes Mary as “highly favored” by God (Luke 1:28). At the same time, there is no instruction in the Bible to revere those who have gone to heaven. We are to follow their example, yes, but worship, revere, or venerate, no!

The major way Catholics “venerate” Mary and the saints is by praying to them. But prayer to anyone other than God alone is anti-biblical. Whether Mary and/or the saints are prayed to, or whether they are petitioned for their prayers—neither practice is biblical. Prayer is an act of worship. When we pray to God, we are admitting that we need His help. Directing our prayers to anyone other than God is robbing God of the glory that is His alone.

Again think as you like ----your Maitreya Buddha statue is not God nor is any other Statute it is man made and therefore if adorned is a form of Idolatry in my view -----this is what I personally believe ----- your belief is different and that my friend is fine by me ------

Have a great week

----------------Idolatry in my view----

 

[Neo]

Neo ----What does this say -----this is what Idolatry is

KJV Dictionary Definition: idolatry
idolatry
IDOL'ATRY, n.L. idololatria. Gr. idol, and to worship or serve.

1. The worship of idols, images, or any thing made by hands, or which is not God.

Did God makes any statute ----Mary ---Jesus ----your statue of the Maitreya Buddha ---the pope etc ---all made by man's hands ------when you kneel before a ststute and pray you are worshiping that Statute -----in my view ----maybe not in your view ----we Think different Neo ------

When we kneel down and pray in front of a statue in my view we are worshiping the statue ------this is Idolatry -----

WORSHIP, ---KJV Dictionary ---

To honor with extravagant love and extreme submission; as a lover.
With bended knees I daily worship her.

To perform acts of adoration.

Got Questions -----http://www.gotquestions.org/worship-saints-Mary.html

Roman Catholics attempt to “bypass” these clear Scriptural principles by claiming they do not “worship” Mary or saints, but rather that they only “venerate” Mary and the saints. Using a different word does not change the essence of what is being done. A definition of “venerate” is “to regard with respect or reverence.” Nowhere in the Bible are we told to revere anyone but God alone. There is nothing wrong with respecting those faithful Christians who have gone before us (see Hebrews chapter 11). There is nothing wrong with honoring Mary as the earthly mother of Jesus. The Bible describes Mary as “highly favored” by God (Luke 1:28). At the same time, there is no instruction in the Bible to revere those who have gone to heaven. We are to follow their example, yes, but worship, revere, or venerate, no!

The major way Catholics “venerate” Mary and the saints is by praying to them. But prayer to anyone other than God alone is anti-biblical. Whether Mary and/or the saints are prayed to, or whether they are petitioned for their prayers—neither practice is biblical. Prayer is an act of worship. When we pray to God, we are admitting that we need His help. Directing our prayers to anyone other than God is robbing God of the glory that is His alone.

Again think as you like ----your Maitreya Buddha statue is not God nor is any other Statute it is man made and therefore if adorned is a form of Idolatry in my view -----this is what I personally believe ----- your belief is different and that my friend is fine by me ------

Have a great week

----------------Idolatry in my view----

Heaven is going to be a pretty empty place.

 

[Luce NDs]

Did god make any icons or images ... or are these just dark abstracts ... a hint of the subliminal Shadow?

Can you contrive such things from nothing?

Few people will accept constructs of soul, mind and psyche ... they just ignore these lessor powers ... compared to instantaneous gratification ... the flash has struck ... do you see the spark in the eye of the "other"?

Philosophically the marketplace (Hadassah) doesn't give a crap for anything that is not inflationary with thoughts of battle!

Thus the peaceful are subtle ... almost partisan as gnome aDs ... nomads in arid arias? Make it a bit drippy ... make me a sad song ... assists grow the population on the lesser side and worries the rich and powerful! They fear becoming sensitive to unheard of things ... why we have ineffable stuff ... goes off in a fugue ...

 

[Luce NDs]

Heaven is going to be a pretty empty place.

Thus huge opportunities to make stuff out of nothing ... a blasting fugacity ...????? Space ph' arts ... pseudo brain farts!

Could be just a word ... thus just Hur words out there ... calling ... be dead athe of me ... once wrote as ante ... a' priori? Probably an anti climactic event in empty space ... and something was placed there ...

People should lighten up before the darkness gets too heavy ... levitate as the Levites ... be light-fingered in vacant arias ... could tickle the heart with deficiencies ...

 

[BetteTheRed]

"The worship of idols, images, or any thing made by hands, or which is not God."

These sort of phrases confuse me, because I don't know where or what is "not God". In my theology, God is everything.

 

[Luce NDs]

"The worship of idols, images, or any thing made by hands, or which is not God."

These sort of phrases confuse me, because I don't know where or what is "not God". In my theology, God is everything.

Thus god includes nothing ... where Hur appears to hide as the Shadow of a Smile ... ... some authorities tend to get upset with smiles as they begin to feel a bote of non-confidence ... a sinking feeling of one falling for God ... as some kind of lack? I feel that this is the advantage of waxing old ... one can get tacky ... especially about passing sects ...

 

[unsafe]

Neo ---your quote ----Heaven is going to be a pretty empty place.

One thing is for sure -----the people who don't go there will never know if heaven is empty or full -----and that is the real truth -------and it is all up to us humans to decide if heaven will be our home in the end -----we have the choice to decide ---God Sent His Son foe all people to reside in Heaven ---it is a personal choice ------quite simple ---choose a place and go for it -----

 

[Jaebius]

Neo ---your quote ----Heaven is going to be a pretty empty place.

One thing is for sure -----the people who don't go there will never know if heaven is empty or full -----and that is the real truth -------and it is all up to us humans to decide if heaven will be our home in the end -----we have the choice to decide ---God Sent His Son foe all people to reside in Heaven ---it is a personal choice ------quite simple ---choose a place and go for it -----

How is God sovereign if we humans are the ones who decide our eternal fate unsafe?

 

[unsafe]

Pr.Jae -----we choose ---God moved ---He Sent His to give all people eternal life ------in heaven ----with Him ----we choose where we want to reside---heaven or hell ---God did His part

 

[BetteTheRed]

Neo ---your quote ----Heaven is going to be a pretty empty place.

One thing is for sure -----the people who don't go there will never know if heaven is empty or full -----and that is the real truth -------and it is all up to us humans to decide if heaven will be our home in the end -----we have the choice to decide ---God Sent His Son foe all people to reside in Heaven ---it is a personal choice ------quite simple ---choose a place and go for it -----

It's hardly a "personal choice", unsafe. I could no more believe the things that you do than wake up quacking like a duck. If there's an elect, per Calvin, some people, by their personality, are clearly not "in"...

 

[Jaebius]

It's hardly a "personal choice", unsafe. I could no more believe the things that you do than wake up quacking like a duck. If there's an elect, per Calvin, some people, by their personality, are clearly not "in"...

It isn't by their personality Bette. According to Calvinism, at least the most extreme form thereof, God's sovereign choice has nothing to do with anything we are (for example personality, gender, age, etc.) or have done.

 

[Mendalla]

It isn't by their personality Bette. According to Calvinism, at least the most extreme form thereof, God's sovereign choice has nothing to do with anything we are (for example personality, gender, age, etc.) or have done.

Agreed though I have heard it said that those who receive Grace (the "Elect") show it in their lives so @BetteTheRed could mean that some people do not seem to reflect the presence of Grace in how they conduct their lives so would not appear to be among the Elect. I, personally, prefer the idea that only God knows for certain who is among the Elect and we won't know who is "in" and who is "out" until we get to our own judgement day.

 

[Jaebius]

Agreed though I have heard it said that those who receive Grace (the "Elect") show it in their lives so @BetteTheRed could mean that some people do not seem to reflect the presence of Grace in how they conduct their lives so would not appear to be among the Elect.

Okay. I'd agree with that.

I, personally, prefer the idea that only God knows for certain who is among the Elect and we won't know who is "in" and who is "out" until we get to our own judgement day.

If extreme Calvinism were to be true, I would hope that we wouldn't know who was elect and who not. We don't need a tiered system of spirituality. I am puzzled over your statement here Mendalla. I thought you didn't believe in a personal God or literal judgement day.

 

[Mendalla]

Okay. I'd agree with that.



If extreme Calvinism were to be true, I would hope that we wouldn't know who was elect and who not. We don't need a tiered system of spirituality. I am puzzled over your statement here Mendalla. I thought you didn't believe in a personal God or literal judgement day.

I don't, but Calvinism is a view of Grace and salvation that actually makes a surprising amount of sense to me and if I was Christian, I would quite possibly be some variant of Calvinist (probably not as traditional about it as @revjohn though). My main problem with it (why I am not one) is not with the idea of the Elect or unmerited Grace but Total Depravity. Like other concepts of "sin", it just does not jibe with how I see and experience the world. But even that is in the interpretation of what it means to be "totally depraved".