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Waterfall said:
Back to Trump.....seems that he used to own shares of Regeneron as well as Gilead Sciences (according to his previous recent income tax).....who happen to make the drug cocktail the President took.....hmmmm.
Well wasn't that good advertising?

www.cnn.com

Trump has ties to drugmaker Regeneron -- and now its stock is surging

President Trump received a high dose of an experimental antibody cocktail from Regeneron as part of his Covid-19 treatment. Now the drugmaker's stock is up sharply -- and questions are swirling about the president's ties to Regeneron's billionaire CEO.
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Does this tie in with him once owning shares of Regeneron?

And now Trump is saying,"As your leader, I had to do it".......as in putting himself at risk to acquire COVID to show how courageous he is?

abcnews.go.com

'I had to do it': Trump suggests he got virus as act of political courage

President Donald Trump upon his return to the White House Monday suggested he got COVID-19 as an act of political courage despite downplaying the danger.
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jimkenney12 said:
George, I appreciated a lot of what you posted. I just did not have any worthwhile comments to add to most of them. I am not as pessimistic as you are as I have been fortunate over the years of knowing many individuals from several countries but mostly from Canada who are working in their sectors to work for justice and real democracy. One friend went into law specifically to work on social justice. One organized community development projects in Bolivia. I knew a couple from Chile while going to seminary. They were working in Masters degrees at Dalhousie and were among the many who fled Chile when Pinochet took control. There were the teachers in Educators for Peace and many others along the way. The billionaires and their lackeys are hard at work behind the scenes manipulating politicians and civil servants but there is a widespread, mostly out of the media view, diverse movement at work, building relationships, gathering and analyzing information, and working on thousands of small projects capable of multiplying. I am not naive about the power and ruthlessness of the billionaires and their lackeys, but their over-confidence could set the stage for a real revolution
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Thank you for your comments!

I love the metaphor describing the formation of a cloud. Drops are evaporated by summer’s warmth. They begin to form clusters. These clusters join others till a cloud is made present in our sky. When fully formed that cloud rains on our thirsty land.

Persons in all places are reaching spirit unity within themselves. Just like drops of water evaporate. Soon those spirit animated persons will become visible in the public square. This rooted in their communication of free creative energy in service to the common good. Once visible the corporate powers will take notice.

“Come out of her my people.”
 
GeoFee said:
Persons in all places are reaching spirit unity within themselves. Just like drops of water evaporate. Soon those spirit animated persons will become visible in the public square. This rooted in their communication of free creative energy in service to the common good. Once visible the corporate powers will take notice
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You have a nice way with words.
 
Waterfall said:
Well wasn't that good advertising?
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I would call it GREAT!

Dr. George Yancopoulos, Regeneron's president and chief scientific officer, told CNN's Julia Chatterley in an interview Monday that the company is hoping it can get more doses of REGN-COV2 to patients within the next few months thanks to a partnership with Big Pharma giant Roche.

"We are on track to deliver 300,000 doses by the end of the year and...produce 300,000 doses a month while the demand may even still exceed that," Yancopoulos said. "If the drug is really working and having the effects that we all hope it would, it could be doing a lot of good for a lot of people."
 
Ritafee said:
I would call it GREAT!

Dr. George Yancopoulos, Regeneron's president and chief scientific officer, told CNN's Julia Chatterley in an interview Monday that the company is hoping it can get more doses of REGN-COV2 to patients within the next few months thanks to a partnership with Big Pharma giant Roche.

"We are on track to deliver 300,000 doses by the end of the year and...produce 300,000 doses a month while the demand may even still exceed that," Yancopoulos said. "If the drug is really working and having the effects that we all hope it would, it could be doing a lot of good for a lot of people."
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IYO should they finish testing it before they commit to producing 300,000 doses a day?
 
Waterfall said:
IYO should they finish testing it before they commit to producing 300,000 doses a day?
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A month. Large clinical trials can play in plus there is compassionate care. I think it's a reasonable approach for very high risk of complications people to take it if they want it after a positive test.
 
When depressed take steroids and be a bit of the thing out of the tree --- Newtz? Like science and observation in a blind domain ...

Then a tree may describe the neural divide as nous ... that'sAL! Consider the gemstone of Eve ... poly facieted ... maybe even mult*etude of study if attended by the teacher ... poly tech?

Word tous is like that with many stray understandings if you can interpret fey'r items ... they may be flighty as Skye in Knight Dress! Time to enter the dark mystery ... dreamland or displaced E*gibe! Eclectic!
 
ChemGal said:
A month. Large clinical trials can play in plus there is compassionate care. I think it's a reasonable approach for very high risk of complications people to take it if they want it after a positive test.
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When it comes to this or a vaccine, who do you think should get it first if supplies are limited? Young people because they seem to be the spreaders? Older people because they seem to die from the virus the most? Would inoculating health care workers first drastically stop the spread in nursing and retirement homes if it is the workers that are bringing it in rather than focusing on those who are actually dying from it?
 
Good question. Firstly have they tested in elderly populations is a question. If not, then not sure elderly would be good Guinnea pigs

i would think health care workers, police, ..... would be at the front of the line. We will certainly be in trouble in general if 25% of the health care field gets infected and dies

i bigger question I think is how many will feel comfortable getting a vaccine that seems to have been politically rushed. I have lost a lot of confidence in the FDA myself through these past six months. Prior to this I always thought of that agency as the gold standard for med approval. Not so much now. Same with the CDC and the WHO. Feeling a lot less confident in their stance now that we see how they get pushed around by politicians
 
Waterfall said:
IYO should they finish testing it before they commit to producing 300,000 doses a day?
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IMO ... they don't really care whether it works or not ... they have no liability for any damage done ... supply and demand is established ...
Ritafee said:
the company is hoping it can get more doses of REGN-COV2 to patients within the next few months thanks to a partnership with Big Pharma giant Roche.

"We are on track to deliver 300,000 doses by the end of the year and...produce 300,000 doses a month while the demand may even still exceed that,"
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Seems to me that the dominant pharmaceutical corporations ought not to profit from the sale of vaccinations and drugs related to containment of the virus. Indeed, that pharmaceutical corporations make billions by the sale of drugs alarms me. Under the oversight of corporate power disease and death have become extremely costly for the general population.

Contrast this to medical practice in Cuba during the leadership of Castro; who was very much hated by the monetary powers governing America.
 
I value a fair return on any investment. I refuse governmental support and approval of excessive gain at the expense of the general population. Why did our government permit the sale of Coke?

Science makes clear that the excessive consumption of sugar brings the onset of obesity and the various medical concerns related to that obesity. Coke being nothing more than sugar in water, seasoned with artificial flavour. The sale of this toxic beverage earning billions in profit by its producers.
 
GeoFee said:
Seems to me that the dominant pharmaceutical corporations ought not to profit from the sale of vaccinations and drugs related to containment of the virus.
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My answer would be nuanced. I have no problem with a reasonable return on investment. Lastpointe is right; we live in a capitalism model, where people invest their capital (money, labour, goods, etc.) in exchange for a "fair deal" - a win-win. I have a problem with greed. And I don't think that the answer is to have governments run everything.

So I would fix your statement to say "ought not to profit [excessively] from the sale of..." I don't think it's unreasonable to expect these private corporations to recover their own real costs and make a profit in line with the current market rate for capital, which is currently quite low, but greater than 0.
 
BetteTheRed said:
My answer would be nuanced. I have no problem with a reasonable return on investment. Lastpointe is right; we live in a capitalism model, where people invest their capital (money, labour, goods, etc.) in exchange for a "fair deal" - a win-win. I have a problem with greed. And I don't think that the answer is to have governments run everything.

So I would fix your statement to say "ought not to profit [excessively] from the sale of..." I don't think it's unreasonable to expect these private corporations to recover their own real costs and make a profit in line with the current market rate for capital, which is currently quite low, but greater than 0.
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Basic agreement.

“I value a fair return on any investment.”
 

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Lastpointe said:
Drug companies are not charities. You might not like the profit model but it is legitamite
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Operation Warp Speed is Using a CIA-Linked Contractor to Keep Covid-19 Vaccine Contracts Secret: $6 billion in Covid-19 vaccine contracts awarded by Operation Warp Speed have been doled out by a secretive government contractor with deep ties to the CIA and DHS, escaping regulatory scrutiny and beyond the reach of FOIA requests.​


BetteTheRed said:
I don't think that the answer is to have governments run everything.
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Operation Warp Speed Industry Partner Toolkit Now Available​

Oct. 6, 2020 —
On September 30 the Center for Development of Security Excellence (CDSE), in cooperation with multiple other agencies involved in Operation Warp Speed (OWS), has created a new toolkit specifically for those industry partners involved in OWS and available to the greater U.S. pharmaceutical sector. The toolkit contains a full suite of resources that address counterintelligence, cybersecurity, insider risk, industrial security, risk management, information security, operations security, personnel security, and physical security. The toolkit is available at Operation Warp Speed Industry Partners Toolkit.
 
I don't understand that response, rita. Can you clarify, please?

Ritafee said:
Operation Warp Speed is Using a CIA-Linked Contractor to Keep Covid-19 Vaccine Contracts Secret: $6 billion in Covid-19 vaccine contracts awarded by Operation Warp Speed have been doled out by a secretive government contractor with deep ties to the CIA and DHS, escaping regulatory scrutiny and beyond the reach of FOIA requests.
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How is that a response to Lastpointe's claim that drug companies are private entities entitled to a "fair profit". We might dispute what that might be. Does it have to be 0%? How do you motivate business to invest their capital with no potential for return?


And then I completely don't get your response to my point. I didn't say that all public/private partnerships were necessarily bad (although I'm cocking my eyebrow at the 407 at the moment), just that s**t has to get done, and you can't rely on government to do it all.
 
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