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Northwind said:
I used to do adoption work. Most of the adoptive couples I worked with were adopting internationally so they wanted to ensure that a child from a different country would be loved. Of course they would be.
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My company's VP has two Chinese girls that she adopted and I see a lot of love in that family. Ditto the other families we know that adopted overseas (we know several).
 
Northwind said:
I used to do adoption work. Most of the adoptive couples I worked with were adopting internationally so they wanted to ensure that a child from a different country would be loved. Of course they would be.
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When my wife and I adopted our daughter from China in 2005 our social worker told us that one of the requirements was that we discuss the adoption with our respective families. She had to include a section on family support in her report.

By the way, @Pontifex Geronimo 13, regardless of our differences on Trump or anything else, I have no doubt that you would shower love on a grandchild - adopted or not. A bit premature, perhaps, since it's apparently only in the planning stage - but congratulations!
 
I have a Chinese granddaughter - and it has been a happy experience all round.

I remember talking to a couple of doctors in China who told me that abortions were their full time job. It's easy to get moral about that. But the reality is that China is a very, very crowded place. And boys, try as they might, are not likely to produce babies despite their production role. Indeed, the whole planet is multiplying at a rate that cannot be sustained. We simply don't have the food for all the people we are producing. So it's going to be either abortions or starvations.
 
I haven't done homestudies for a few years @revsdd so forgot about that. China has some pretty strict guidelines for adopting their children as you likely know. They tightened things up as well. That likely happened after you adopted. International adoptions potentially bring extra potential problems. It is important to discuss with the extended family anyway to help reduce the odds of problems.
 
Northwind said:
I haven't done homestudies for a few years @revsdd so forgot about that. China has some pretty strict guidelines for adopting their children as you likely know. They tightened things up as well. That likely happened after you adopted. International adoptions potentially bring extra potential problems. It is important to discuss with the extended family anyway to help reduce the odds of problems.
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We were one of the last travel groups to go before the Chinese government started getting increasingly restrictive. We had considered adopting a second child from China, but the waiting list was suddenly years long. Our wait had been pretty much exactly 14 months from first contact with the adoption agency to adoption. The process was very interesting, in-depth and intrusive - and that's not a complaint, just an observation. We passed! But like many adoptive parents, it did make me wonder how many people would be able to have biological children if home studies like that were required for them.
 
Graeme Decarie said:
I have a Chinese granddaughter - and it has been a happy experience all round.

I remember talking to a couple of doctors in China who told me that abortions were their full time job. It's easy to get moral about that. But the reality is that China is a very, very crowded place. And boys, try as they might, are not likely to produce babies despite their production role. Indeed, the whole planet is multiplying at a rate that cannot be sustained. We simply don't have the food for all the people we are producing. So it's going to be either abortions or starvations.
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It should be interesting to see how things play out now that they are easing off on the one child policy (it started creating more problems than it solved). The urban middle class (ie. Mrs. M's family) seem to be following the pattern we've seen in the West where well-off, educated families tend to be smaller anyhow. It's mainly rural families, who see boys as farm labour, that were dumping girls to try for a boy. Now that they can try again, maybe that practice will die down.
 
Mendalla said:
It should be interesting to see how things play out now that they are easing off on the one child policy (it started creating more problems than it solved). The urban middle class (ie. Mrs. M's family) seem to be following the pattern we've seen in the West where well-off, educated families tend to be smaller anyhow. It's mainly rural families, who see boys as farm labour, that were dumping girls to try for a boy. Now that they can try again, maybe that practice will die down.
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It was also the fact that girls are expected to care for their husband's families as they get older, because there's surprisingly little state support in China in spite of the fact that it's a communist country. Boys were their parents' insurance policies for old age; girls would marry someone and be someone else's insurance policies for old age. So girls had little value - either immediately as labourers or in the future as caregivers, and they'd be often abandoned (or, sadly, worse) so that couples could try again for a boy.
 
revsdd said:
It was also the fact that girls are expected to care for their husband's families as they get older, because there's surprisingly little state support in China in spite of the fact that it's a communist country. Boys were their parents' insurance policies for old age; girls would marry someone and be someone else's insurance policies for old age. So girls had little value - either immediately as labourers or in the future as caregivers, and they'd be often abandoned (or, sadly, worse) so that couples could try again for a boy.
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That's a problem they'll need to address eventually. While I realize their culture is for kids to care for the parents, we've recognized here the value of having outside caregivers available to help families, even if only to provide respite. Mrs. M's family actually hired someone to help with her father during his last few years but she wasn't a trained PSW or anything, just a worker from the countryside who sent the money home to pay for her son's education. There is literally no formal home care there.
 
revsdd said:
In any event what people associate with Christianity is not necessarily a fair view of Christianity.

Actually, that's not all you said - you generalized fundamentalist Christianity with all of Christianity. Here, you've corrected that generalization, and I largely agree with you.
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And what people associate with Trump is not necessarily an informed view of anything at all as it relates to who or what is actually governing 'the new world order' - 'Trump' is just as much a pawn as the 'christians' - neither of which are willing to get out of the political game - shame on them all indeed - but ultimately - they are not the 'powers that be' in control - they are still just the puppets in the divide and conquer agenda.

It is one big Punch & Judy Masquerade.
  • In his remarks, Sessions hit back at the "concerns raised by our church friends about separating families," calling the criticism "not fair or logical" and quoting Scripture in his defense of the administration's tough policies.
  • "Persons who violate the law of our nation are subject to prosecution. I would cite you to the Apostle Paul and his clear and wise command in Romans 13 to obey the laws of the government because God has ordained them for the purpose of order," Sessions said. "Orderly and lawful processes are good in themselves and protect the weak and lawful."
  • He called on religious leaders to "speak up strongly to urge anyone who would come here to apply lawfully, to wait their turn and not violate the law."
  • Later Thursday, White House Press Secretary Sarah Sanders doubled down on Sessions' comments, saying it is "very biblical to enforce the law."
  • "That is actually repeated a number of times throughout the Bible," she said, responding to a question about Sessions' comments about Scripture's supporting the administration's policies.
 
Set up the puppet by pulling the strings of ego. Enter the white knight to knock him down. A grand parade to the seat of power. All removing their hats as the spectacle passes by. Poor Barthomew. Who wore the hat of God.
 
Yemen: US Grants Approval For Genocide
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... when the media will be busy with the Kim-Trump photo-op summit,
the UAE forces will launch their attack on the city.
  • The genocide in Yemen ... Eight million are already on the brink of starvation. Eighteen out of twenty-six million Yemenis live in the mountainous heartlands (green) which are under control of the Houthi and their allies. They are surrounded by Saudi and U.A.E. forces and their mercenaries. There is little agriculture. The only supply line from the outside world will soon be cut off. The people will starve.
Yemen: US Grants Approval For Genocide | PopularResistance.Org
 
Voting is implicitly a coercive act because it lends support to a compulsory government.

Voting reinforces the legitimacy of the state because the participation of the voters makes it appear that they approve of their government.

There are ways of opposing the state, other than by voting "against" the incumbents. [And remember, even if the opposition politicians are the lesser of two evils, they are still evil.] Such non-political methods as civil disobedience, non-violent resistance, home schooling, bettering one's self, and improving one's own understanding of voluntaryism all go far in robbing the government of its much sought after legitimacy.

As Thoreau pointed our, "All voting is a sort of gaming, like chequers or backgammon, ... . Even voting for the right is doing nothing for it." So whatever you do, don't play the government's game, Don't vote. Do something for the right.

- Carl Watner (December 2009)

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  1. Introduction to the Non-Voting Series (November 2015) by Carl Watner
  2. The Superiority of Moral Power Over Political Power by Adin Ballou
  3. The Illegality, Immorality and Violence of All Political Action by Robert LeFevre
  4. The Non-Voter�s Right to Ignore the State by Herbert Spencer
  5. Abstain from Beans by Robert LeFevre
  6. Arguments Against Political Action by John Pugsley
  7. Living Slavery And All That by Alan P. Koontz
  8. On Underwriting an Evil by Frank Chodorov
  9. Against Woman Suffrage by Lysander Spooner
  10. We Have to Do Something! by John Pugsley
  11. Political Methods vs. Nonviolent Resistance by Francis Tandy
  12. Delegitimize: Do Not Repeal by George Smith
 
i know, monk
not everyone has that BS, thank g_odness
diversity of BS and ideas
enough peeps still b'lieve that ordinary citizens can represent their interests in "gov't", despite Liberal despair and Progressive tearing down of fences...
 
As Albert Jay Nock put it ...
"Ages of experience testify that the only way society can be improved is by the individualist method ... ; that is, the method of each 'one' doing his very best to improve 'one'."

This is the "quiet" or "patient" way of changing society because it concentrates upon bettering the character of men and women as individuals. As the individual units change, the improvement of society will take care of itself. In other words, "If one takes care of the means, the end will take care of itself."
 
monk said:
As Albert Jay Nock put it ...
"Ages of experience testify that the only way society can be improved is by the individualist method ... ; that is, the method of each 'one' doing his very best to improve 'one'."

This is the "quiet" or "patient" way of changing society because it concentrates upon bettering the character of men and women as individuals. As the individual units change, the improvement of society will take care of itself. In other words, "If one takes care of the means, the end will take care of itself."
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Thus isolationism of the other kind … when IT enters the darkness of M'N … formerly a Greek U'V … or cov' cut out of the stones … when this stuff is extracted from den UT'z … something grows from it … AD CONTINUUM … tis beyond those tacky and stuck to the wall … like gum! Aphelia 'slake that … gravid … knowing that something 'll come of it … in all probably … given the expanse of time that remains beyond us unknown! Tis a large pool of vapours affecting the unknown until condensed down … drips, or just X-spirts on what is impossible dream given the fixation? Institutionalized corruption … is it self evident … if one is not blinded by volition?

Thus one busts their ass trying to cover up the past Eire … pas Taurus? Know bull … be familiar with what's buried in cannon … such is word!
 
Now it appears he is blaming the Democrats for ripping the kids from their families. Apparently this is a ploy to get them to approve funding for the wall.
 
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