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I'm not saying it's your problem @Northwind. I'm just telling you what happened. My last paid job in the field nearly killed me. I don't want to go back to the work. I don't want a BSW. The values made an indelible impression on me, though. I will volunteer for good causes doing as much as I can handle - and I'm not sure if "keyboard warrior" is so terrible or just unnecessary name calling. It's the keyboard warriors of the alt-right - spreading racist sexist memes, trolling feminists, social justice advocates, and "shitposting" that made that online movement a reality that helped elect DT. So being a keyboard warrior who opposes it when it pops up - oh well? It's a modern reality that we spend social time online now.
 
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Inannawhimsey said:
US is one of the least intolerant countries in the world
Free speech is pretty important in US. It provides the alternative to violence and doesn't require everyone to like and dislike, love or hate the same things.

Just look at the countries with serious free speech problems; racism is rife there.

A reminder: drive hate underground and it festers...
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But it's not as much of problem here because we have built a culture around the understanding that there are limits to free speech (I.e. Not free to spread hate towards protected groups) in an equitable and civil society - with more of a common understanding of why it's not acceptable. It's part of our constitutional and cultural ethos - whereas in the states their constitutional and cultural ethos is a little different.
 
chansen said:
He is used to getting his own way. He feels entitled to break rules and loyalty is the most important thing to him. He seems to harbour some decidedly bigoted beliefs that resonated with racist organizations and people, and he is loyal to them, and they to him. These are the scared people I was talking about. They alone did not get him elected, but they sure as hell put him over the top. The rest you can hang on the Democrats, who didn't talk about what they would do, so much as how bad Trump was. They didn't need to point that out. The ran a bad campaign. Most thought it wouldn't matter. It did.

You can't see it from this perspective. If you care deeply about something, the other side is a mystery to you and you can't understand why anyone would feel that way.



I try to leave it alone, but here, you're mostly on the side I'm on, and your help is killing me.

You can tell me the sky is blue, and I might say it's more grey today. You will then tell me that I must be blind and I'm anti-blue. In your second post, I'll be called a greyist. It will descend from there. I'll consider bouncing my head off a block wall.

My previous post pointed out how your reluctance to see things from the perspective of other people is likely the key reason for your inability to connect readers with your arguments. Am I wrong? Are you doing spectacularly with changing opinions? Am I the only one disagreeing with you? I don't see it, and I think this is a big reason.

You call me a troll, because you react emotionally to my posts. You think I'm trying for that response. Every time you respond emotionally to my posts, my head drops. This is not fun for me. This is draining.
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There'd have to be something wrong with me - seriously - if I 'didn't' react to some of your posts. Certain posts, particularly. It's odd how you can get away with s**t like that, and even have defenders - and people putting me down for taking offense to it - when I can't even make a joke about Trump/KFC/coca-cola and lithium without the "snowflakes" being offended (I use the term ironically to point out how hypocritical it is). You are a troll. You have helped set a tone around here whereby being an emotional person is a bad thing - as if person cannot have emotion and reason. It's human for crying out loud. There is nothing wrong with having appropriate emotions to inappropriate treatment. There is nothing wrong with emotions being part of responses to emotional topics. There is nothing wrong with having emotions. There is nothing abnormal about feeling hurt by verbal and emotional abuse. You have levelled it at me more than a few times. But you have the uncanny ability to get away with it because you're a smart troll. If you're going for laughs from it at the expense of "the weakest link" most of the time, and pats on the back for rousing, yet hurtful, hyperbole at other times - you're still just being a troll.
 
And I don't care if anyone agrees or disagrees with what I say. I'm saying what think and I talk about what I value and if I turn out to be wrong, then I turn out to be wrong. If I turn out to be right, then I turn out to be right. But most of the time all I see from others is one person opposes what I say and a bunch of others line up to take a kick at the can. And it's not just "disagreeing". It's disagreeing with a shot of demeaning and attempts at disempowering after I'm already bleeding on the ground. So, I care even less about other people's opinions.
 
@chansen I agree with you about Donald Trump and I did already see that. If you go back in this thread about a year - I think I may have even said something quite close to that. That's his narcissism on display. That's the closest anybody gets and is probably ever going to get to understanding him, aside from, possibly, his own family members. But that doesn't mean it's respectable - and it doesn't provide any good solutions, and it doesn't make him not a racist or a misogynist and it doesn't address what to do about the racism and misogyny he has awakened in the population, and given permission to.
 
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Northwind said:
So all of the president's supporters are racist? That's ridiculous and a good example of why critical thinking is needed more than ever.
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I've been told that thinking is generally bad ... possibly because it disturbs the off string thing ... listed as FREE WILL!
 
One cannot have too much of a good thing ... the problem is which is best ... passions, opinionated folk, or transcendent wisdom that comes and goes lie the winds ... its ben metaphor ... changeable ...

The hard-castes don't see it till they're wasted ... like things loaming in the badlands ... waiting for dead lines ... scribbles on the page Boyed ...

Relax they're just words ... many lies and some myths and metaphors ... poly Ms. Understood by all ...
 
Inannawhimsey said:
It Spreads
He's considered Canada's founding father, but many Ontario teachers want his name stripped from public schools
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Oh well. It's just the name of a building. Sir John A. MacDonald can be taught about - the good and bad - in history books. There are plenty of schools not named after politicians - they could be named after the neighbourhood or the street, etc. - are they learning less history than those whose schools are named after politicians? Let the students name their own school.
 
School of the bed amned ... and am nots ... fishy if not a fissure in reality attempting to find the virtue of the other thingy ...

That which isn't and thus overlooked by overseers ... in short do not deny the little populations ... they could overrun yah ... ask that old lady who liked by the roué L've Shue ... twas for the bo-IDs and such twitter!

Thus the laid out nature of multidimensional stories ... to save the publishers inking ... thus the lesser print ...
 
Kimmio said:
I feel disappointed in what you've been saying lately.
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I was thinking about this. If you would actually read what I'm saying you'd be reading something different.

I don't know about the others. I'm trying to reason with you. My intent is not to attack. I have no control over how you interpret what you read. I hope you have support in real life.
 
Kimmio, how could one disagree with you in a way you might find acceptable?

I'm a rational person. If I find something confusing or irrational about another's point or position on an issue, I'm going to ask about it, try to clarify so that we both understand why I find it irrational. If you can answer a good, rational argument, Kimmio, your position is probably secure and well-thought-out. If not, you might want to try to figure it out for the next time a logical person asks you a question.

Just so I understand what you're advocating here (in response to my suggestion that you can't just go around banning stuff because you don't like it). If that were the case, I'd ban chihuahuas, broad beans and watermelon. You've judged that everyone who voted for Drumpf is either racist or misogynist. You suggest that their free speech be banned. How well do you think this is going to work? I can't even imagine what this 'ban' of yours looks like.
 
Kimmio said:
It's odd how you can get away with s**t like that, and even have defenders - and people putting me down for taking offense to it - when I can't even make a joke about Trump/KFC/coca-cola and lithium without the "snowflakes" being offended (I use the term ironically to point out how hypocritical it is).
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I sometimes point out where you use exactly the same rhetoric that others use. It's often worse. But because it's from *your* POV, it's fine. From anyone else's POV, it's not. People see that.

The irony here is that you're complaining about my observation about your inability or unwillingness to see things from other people's perspectives, and then you're complaining about people agreeing with me, because you can't see this from their perspective. It confirms the original observation.


Kimmio said:
You are a troll.
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You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.


Kimmio said:
You have helped set a tone around here whereby being an emotional person is a bad thing - as if person cannot have emotion and reason. It's human for crying out loud. There is nothing wrong with having appropriate emotions to inappropriate treatment. There is nothing wrong with emotions being part of responses to emotional topics. There is nothing wrong with having emotions.
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You can't use emotions as a trump card (no pun intended). You have raw emotions without viable reasons behind them. Emotions from you are like the word "--- PERIOD ---" for unsafe. Both are overused and fail to compensate for a lack of arguments.


Kimmio said:
There is nothing abnormal about feeling hurt by verbal and emotional abuse. You have levelled it at me more than a few times. But you have the uncanny ability to get away with it because you're a smart troll. If you're going for laughs from it at the expense of "the weakest link" most of the time, and pats on the back for rousing, yet hurtful, hyperbole at other times - you're still just being a troll.
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Kimmio, if I declared open season on you like I have on some others here at times, you would be in the fetal position and unable to post. I know I can't do that with you. I don't do that with you. Everyone else knows I don't. Everyone knows I do not enjoy this. I was able to sneak in one Princess Bride reference, but otherwise, this has been a pain to write, because you've got me trying to be serious so as not to upset you. There are times I will absolutely write something to get laughs at someone's expense and not care one whit about the feelings of the person I'm writing to, because they earned it. I don't think I've ever done that with you.

I'm honestly trying to help you understand why you are not getting any traction with your posts. And you aren't. You don't respond to anything that anyone else is saying - you discount it and appeal to emotion again and again. You don't consider their words. You don't understand how you are upsetting others by discounting their qualifications, experience and opinions, and overriding them at will with generally worse arguments.

As far as trolling, I absolutely have a game online. I like to write observational jokes and not get paid for them. I do not enjoy it when people are mad at me. Either it upsets me, or I'm indifferent. But I don't derive satisfaction from it. In an online forum, that's what a troll does. I'm not sure what to call myself, but nobody use the word "jokester" again.
 
Those of us of British and French descent are the products of political societies very much like that of Trump. Our racism destroyed our native peoples - and we're still doing nothing about it. We have a history of profound anti-semitism, anti-Africanism, anti-Oriental - you name it.
And there's still a lot of it out there.
 
Graeme Decarie said:
Those of us of British and French descent are the products of political societies very much like that of Trump. Our racism destroyed our native peoples - and we're still doing nothing about it. We have a history of profound anti-semitism, anti-Africanism, anti-Oriental - you name it.
And there's still a lot of it out there.
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It splattered from the broken people ... consequence of the fall into it ... what's it? That is something else to question, or at least make wild statements that may draw a response ... the response will indicate if there's something living in there ...

This may be the source for that putting hard shells to your ear ... be cautious ... something could come out of it!
 
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