TRUMP - Some people think......... How do you feel?

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

Agreed, Drumpf is awful, in a Rob Ford, sort of car-crash can't not look at it, way. From a policy POV, Pence is much more dangerous, and probably, potentially, much more 'effective' at his awfulness, as he'd have the support of the GOP.

Except Rob Ford was relatively small potatoes - a mayor of a Canadian city. Trump is POTUS and that gives him a ridiculous amount of power. His blunders and even his misguided tweets are more powerful. I don't think Pence would piss off the whole world in quite the same way. I think he might create an uphill battle domestically for minority groups, for a couple of years - and that sucks - but the world on the whole might be safer. And it might not be. But Trump is not fit to be president. It's obvious. It was obvious to most of the world way before November 2016 - it's astonishing that he was elected. And if he colluded with Russia - then it was not a fair election, and he's got to step down or be booted out. If he obstructed justice by trying to thwart an investigation, he needs to go. If he did neither, the world is stuck with him for 3 and a half years.

 

[Mendalla]

it's astonishing that he was elected

I wish that were so, though I was a bit taken aback in the end, too. The level of simmering resentment and reaction we were seeing over the Obama years should have been taken more seriously. No one should have been astonished. Once he was nominated, the possibility was clearly there and the Dems didn't play it the way they should have. Dismissing Trump just made him stronger, I think, but that's basically what they did. They not only need a fresh candidate in 2020, they need a new campaign team who are prepared to fight the real battle.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

I wish that were so, though I was a bit taken aback in the end, too. The level of simmering resentment and reaction we were seeing over the Obama years should have been taken more seriously. No one should have been astonished. Once he was nominated, the possibility was clearly there and the Dems didn't play it the way they should have. Dismissing Trump just made him stronger, I think, but that's basically what they did. They not only need a fresh candidate in 2020, they need a new campaign team who are prepared to fight the real battle.

It's astonishing to me that that's how it played out. I cannot believe, and am very disappointed, that people were so pissed at Obama and Hillary they seriously thought Donald Trump was a better option. Donald fricken Trump!! You could smell the mob boss cologne through the TV, for God's sake. You could see the family dynasty brewing. You could see the lies right up front. It's like he was daring people to elect him anyway - and they did! And part of that started years before in his campaign to smear Obama by attempting discredit his legitimacy as president and even as an American. And then - there does seem to be a lot leading to the validity of timely and overblown smears to discredit Hillary - helped along by Russian hackers and alt right propagandists? Hillary said so and she wasn't believed!

And he's still doing it. Joe and Mika? God help us all.

 

[Delightful Life]

Always fun to stop by here and see if anybody is no longer in the grips of fake news.

No, it's your drug.

Nothing new to see
Just the Right has accepted the fact that fake news exists now as well
We're ALL batteries being manipulated...and the manipulation works even when we're aware of it...
If the sloemoving assassination of Trump is successful, then be ready for yer revelations wet dream of nuklear war with bright red crosses painted on them and a bunch of other symbols...
I too wish general people would think better and not think with their fear so much...
LA DI DAH!!!

 

[Delightful Life]

Audience Aside:
Had a good giggle today. Had to share this.
"Here’s a link to my Periscope video explaining how President Trump’s mean tweets about Morning Joe will destroy everything you love. Wake up, people! It’s common sense! Tweets kill!

On a totally unrelated topic, I have confirmed that 30% of the public can’t identify a joke without the help of a service animal."
-Dilber err I mean Scott Adams

Or I think it was Andrew Neil "Twitter, where irony goes to die"

I see that I'm getting used to MSM news outlets writting articles that appear as news but are really collages of Twits and their Twitters. Quite enjoyable.

 

[Luce NDs]

Where irony goes to die ... seminal ...

♀ ... that odd slice ... you'll feel it when she get Eve'n that dusky sensation of falling into the old mind ... spirit residing on the old brae'n? Kind of a recessed spot that thrives on fear and anger ... stimulation?
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Moderation and mellowing is good ... ask any good whine-Eire ... in Germanic tongues this may be translated as battered meat ... hum bugs were favoured by some ...

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Accept all as butterflies as accepted in the isle of Elle Diablo's ...

 

[Delightful Life]

From Trump's Twitter...its like he's a Millenial his ability with social media. Uncanny.

 

[Waterfall]

Here's Plato's explanation:

 

[Delightful Life]

Plato predicted mass hysteria and the internet???

Cool :3

 

[Delightful Life]

(also who knew Socrates had similar concerns as Camille Paglia? Great minds think alike...)

 

[Delightful Life]

Musings from a Transgender Democrat
(@Waterfall might enjoy her explanation of why she is skeptikal aboot the current transgender wave...lots to consider, here)

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

What happens if Trump makes a "law" by executive order and all the states ignore it? Actually, I don't think the voter information request is an executive order but 44 states are refusing to give part or all of the data requested (which shows that even though they regret electing him - they screwed up - they're not going to sit back and allow him to run rough shod over their citizens and want to preserve democracy - Americans are bold and smart and involved in their country. I'm quite impressed at how active they are in the political process) . What happens if most people governing at the state level just ignore him on everything? Many are already going to honour the terms of the Paris agreement regardless of Trump's position on it. What about everything else? Can they just go about their business and ignore him? What would happen?

 

[Mendalla]

What happens if Trump makes a "law" by executive order and all the states ignore it? Actually, I don't think the voter information request is an executive order but 44 states are refusing to give part or all of the data requested (which shows that even though they regret electing him they're not going to sit back and allow him to run rough shod over their citizens and want to preserve democracy - Americans are bold and smart and involved in their country) . What happens if most people governing at the state level just ignore him on everything? Many are already going to honour the terms of the Paris agreement regardless of Trump's position on it. What about everything else? Can they just go about their business and ignore him?

States rights is a big thing down there but there are constitutional limits to them. The question is whether the GOP, which presents as a states' rights party, wants to be seen coming down on those rights by fighting some of these at the Supreme, which is likely how such a battle would end these days. The fact that so many states are going against Trump, including some red ones, means that a Civil War type scenario of one group of states trying secede is unlikely. More likely Washington and the states butt heads in the press and maybe in court for a while, then everyone hunkers down for the next election cycle without anything really being settled.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

So, tie up the courts every which way in every state so every issue drags out for years and nothing actually happens - then maybe elect someone else to be president?

 

[Mendalla]

So, tie up the courts every which way in every state so every issue drags out for years and nothing actually happens - then maybe elect someone else to be president?

Not sure it would be every court in every state. Most likely strategy would be to pick a test case, probably over the election thing, and target that state (or a state takes the Feds to court over the election thing). It will probably get up to the Supreme Court level fairly quickly and if the court finds for the Feds, then they can turn around and use that as their big stick against the other states. Expect other states to file for intervenor status and a lot of fighting over court ordered stays of the policy and such before it gets there, though, just as we've seen with the travel ban.

 

[Delightful Life]

Its cool seeing Dems actually be interested in state's rights after such a long hiatus

 

[Graeme Decarie]

And, oh, joy.....

As climate change destroys agricultural regions (something already well under way) watch for the American insistence on a Canada-US union.
And not to accept it would be considered unfriendly.

 

[Luce NDs]

Plato predicted mass hysteria and the internet???

Cool :3

Part of the play dough syncretic theory ... as two adders come up with more than a simple summation ... additional forms?

One must be concerned about the exponential terror ... Ca Duceus?

 

[Luce NDs]

So, tie up the courts every which way in every state so every issue drags out for years and nothing actually happens - then maybe elect someone else to be president?

Tie up the courts in binding chaos ... a political plan ... or just a scheme of conspiracy denied?

 

[Luce NDs]

And, oh, joy.....

As climate change destroys agricultural regions (something already well under way) watch for the American insistence on a Canada-US union.
And not to accept it would be considered unfriendly.

In unfriendly busyness is there room for hostile takeovers to de stabilize demos crazies further?