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You must have communication problems, Pinga. I have told you. I would not vote for either. Any vote for either legitimizes what has become a disgusting travesty. It's a choice between Hitler and Goering. And it would not have voted for one of those, either.
You cannot seem to grasp what I have said many, many times. The election is a disaster. It is a disaster no matter who wins. The reality is that democracy in the U.S. is over. It's gone. It's not coming back. Can you read my lips?
Nor is there time to chat about it with reasonable sort of people. The election is coming so soon, there is no time have any effect on it.
I'm sorry it's a disaster. I didn't do that. But disaster is what it is.
Can I ask you how you feel about the mass murders in the middle east? The suffering of the refugees? Why do you think that is happening? Does Hillary have any possible connection with it? Do you think it's a 'good thing"? Are you aware that a vote for either candidate is a vote to continue that? Do you care?
Do you care that growing numbers of Americans are going hungry and are living in vile conditions? Are you aware that has some connection with the fact that most of the wealthy don't pay taxes? (Have you heard of tax havens?) Are you aware that neither candidate will take action on that?
Pinga keeps thinking there is some happy compromise to reach. There isn't. We are dealing with big money that wants unlimiited power. Those people have no compromises. They aren't going to sit and chat. They aren't going to stop the killing they are doing. And, no, this world would not be a better place if we were just nice to each other.

Oh, Lastpointe - I have followed this person on occasion - never has any information to give and is alway negative.

And doesn't anybody give a damn about the killing and human misery that lies behind all this? You completely ignore it. You ignore the horror of the killing, of the tens of millions of refugees, of the exploitation of hundreds of millions all over the world. Neither Trump nor Clinton has shown any interest in this. And both have been involved up to their ears in it.
All you can do is raise maidenly howls about Trump's groping. Has it never occured to you that both Trump and Clinton would continue to kill women in huge numbers, and fight wars that submit millions to rape?
All I'm seeing here is some pretty prim Sunday School gushing about how important and virtuous it is to vote. Sometimes it is.
This time, the choice is not there to make that possible.
Try to look beyond the edge of your nest.
 
So, you would not vote for either. In that case, one of them is going to get in...but you wouldn't have chosen either, or even an alternative. Interesting approach. Does this mean you still get to take potshots at every one who voted?

Hmm, I wonder what would you make you happy?
Do you feel that getting rid of government would be the preferred solution? Are you for everyone being able to carry guns, and that there be some form of a citizen's revolt? Knock out the government? (note: for anyone persusing this thread, that is not my solution, far from it, but I am trying to figure how @Graeme sees that the world can step back from the precipice that he sees us on.
 
I think stepping back will be very difficult. But jumping off the precipice would be very, very stupid. And jumping in is what you want to do.
Your guesses at what i would do are silly.
And your idea of an alternative, interesting approach is, to put it mildly, puerile. Tell us what interesting approach you have in mind.
You don't seem to understand that you are dealing with people who have killed millions for pure greed, and who have publicly announced the intention to conquer the world. it's hard to have interesting, alternative approaches to people like that.

I have said this is a disaster. And you keep asking me how I would prevent a disaaster. There is no alternative. That's why I icalled it a disaster. If there were an alternative, I would have said it was a tricky situation, and suggested ways around it. But it IS a disaster. And there is no way to get around it. If a doctor were to tell me I was dying, I would accept that. I would not rail at him for not having an interesting alternative.
It's a disaster. I'm sorry. It's not my fault. But I have to call it what it is. You don't want to recognize this as a disaster. Okay. Tell us what you would do. It's you, not me, who says there could be an interesting, alternative approach.
 
Heh @Graeme , I don't see it as the disaster you do.
I see it as one more set of bad choices, but the machinery will keep running. If one of the bad choices gets in, it will run one way, if the other gets in, it will run the other way. I happen to think the one bad choice is more problematic than the other bad choice.

It is you that is preaching doom & gloom.
 
I'm not preaching anything. I'm telling you what i see. I'm sorry it's bad news. But i'm not preaching doom and gloom any more that a doctor who tells you have terminal cancer is preaching doom and gloom. Try to use words with real meanings, not use them just because of their associations in our minds.
Your suggestions would have no effect on anything. They are remarkably petty and silly. And the one on shipping jobs is really off the wall. The U.S. is going to allow itself to be stripped of huge swaths of industry worth trillions of dollars? And Canada will accept huge numbers of American farmers who grow cotton and grapes and oranges? And where are all these farmlands going to come from? How many american jobs do you plan to move to French Quebec? And we are going to increase our population by sixty million or so overnight? And they will all fit in to our society without a problem? And, oh, all those bible belt workers would really improve race relations in Canada. Boy, can't wait to see all those U.S. oil fields and mines moved to Canada.
Has it not occured to you that it is more likely that a U.S., suffering from permanent drought and from urban water shortages is far more likely to take over Canada's water to keep the western states and the cities alive?
 
Wait, say what? The "shipping of jobs" was on a different thread, discussing a theatrical revolt by Trump followers.
How about we stick to the topic at hand, please.
 
Graeme Decarie said:
Yes, this has been a campaign without issues of substance. Many Americans are not voting on policies at all. How could they? They don't know what the policies are. So the vote becomes really an expression of their own virtue. A vote for Trump will not, in fact, cause a rise in attacks on women. A vote for Clinton will most certainly cause a rise in the killiing of Muslims.
But the pious don't express their piety in what they approve of. They express it in what they don't approve of. That's why fundamentalists beyond their reproductive years just love to demonstrate against abortion - but never demonstrate against wars.
Clinton is an advocate of American exceptionalism, the belief that the U.S. has the right to invade any country it chooses, to kill for any reason it chooses. It's a belief that has killed more than 2 million innocent people in the last 15 years. But she doesn't grope women. So that's what's important.
Does she respect women? It certainly doesn't show. She has done nothing whatever for women who are poor, for those who are worst off - single mothers who are poor. Oh, she makes millions of them refugees, corpses. But she doesn't grope. And virtue is all those things one doesn't do.
Trump hasn't killed any women. But he talks meanly of them. The brute.
Oh, and Trump refuses to accept latinos or refugees. And Clinton says bring me your huddled masses????
No, she doesn't.
Both campaigns are largely devoid of morality of any sort. Both are devoid of charity. And the American (and Canadian) people obviously couldn't care less because they haven't said a word about either.
Love thy neighbour? Forget about it. True virtue lies not in doing good. True virtue lies in not doing anything.
The news media have played along with this shallow and superficial approach.
No matter who wins, this election is a disaster for the American people. And, quite possibly, for Canada as Trudeau now follows Harper in the caboose on the American train.
American corporations are committed to 'the final solution'. It's much the same as Hitler's final solution. and the virtuous in the U.S. embrace it as the virtuous in Germany embraced Hitler's final solution.
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So is it OK if I say nothing at all with great flourish of words as BS to a bunch of people that didn't know ... the oxymoronic quality of BS? Word is like that ... allows virtue to be sub dude ... kind 've like sat Eire and we didn't see it expressed ...
 
Pinga said:
No, Graeme. I am asking what would you do.
Vote for a candidat

Nice, try, @Graeme. I understand that personal attacks are your style, rather than actually addressing the individual. You have no idea how I approach problems nor do I understand why you seem to enjoy puting down people.

So, I have asked you a question.
Would you vote? If you would, who would you vote for.

You want to keep avoiding it?
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What do we garbled and entrained people know about personal attacks on stuff the authorities know little about? That'd be us wee people that are not looked into ... but overseen! Thus blind seers ...

Word in this pig's style can be elusive too ...
 
I was driving today, flipping channels and came across soem talk radio. Did I say that I was in the midwest?
Heard some expressions that I haven't heard for a while....but one of them was "the homosexual agenda".
Was interesting to listen to the pitch of those selling Trump.
One of the analogies were that your car was broken and there were two mechanics to do the work. Both were awful people about town, terrible non-Christian behaviour, but...the one happened to be a good mechanic. Your car needs to be fixed. You hold your nose and get it fixed.
The other one was that when you go into ER, you don't ask if the trauma surgeon has had affairs. You only care about their ability to do work.

So much of the conversation I wanted to respond to , but, it was a reminder of the message being pitched.
 
Kimmio said:
Trump would not make a competent mechanic, surgeon, or POTUS!
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None-the-less he sure can disturb 'ELLE! That's Eris in the population without buffers ... could he become an institution, or should he be institutionalized as a BS? There are those that believe in him as a power ...

Then what opposes power, what is a negative power ... a positive thought in the un con science? --- extract of Joseph Campbell!
 
Under Bush and Obama (with Clinton), the U.S. has blundered into a series of wars, none of them legal under international law. (In fact, a British government investigative body condemned these wars as war crimes.)

It has killed at least a couple of million people (almost certainly more.). It has engaged in torture on a scale that would have embarassed Hitler. It has created some 30 million refugees. It has thrown a large part of the world into turmoil - with worse to come. It has taken us into close danger with nuclear war.
it has fed a stunningly corrupt war industry in the U.S. It has cost the U.S. trillions of dollars - which is one reason why poverty in the U.S. and around the world is rising.
Is is murdering and starving people in Yemen for reasons we are never told.
In fifteen years, it has yet to score a clear victory in any of these wars, though all are against tiny nations.
It has fought these wars solely to benefit the oil industry.

It has quietly backed dictators in Africa. It has destroyed democratically elected governments in South
America.

And we're calling Trump incompetent?
 
Graeme Decarie said:
There are none so blind.....
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The problem as I see it Graeme is that most of us want off of this roller coaster ride where the economy depends on the suffering of others. In America we have become dependent on the existence of our world to the way we have have created it. Even after "waking up" we remain tied and bound to the forces we have ignored so long and continue to believe that there are only two real choices to run governments within a country. Any third or fourth choice is too risky in our minds and we don't want to go through the growing pains of doing government differently with those "less experienced" with how to run a country. Our bar has been set by governments that are corrupt and we do become blind to any light that may attempt to shine through because we have come to believe we actually need to have a corrupt government to address the corruption in the word, which has actually been created by the corrupt governments.....a vicious circle. To vote for someone who may not be corrupt would be painful as we witness them trying to overcome their incompetence in dealing with the aftermath of such corruption. Growing pains hurt and struggling isn't glorious to those countries looking on, and lord knows America's ego may not be able to survive the embarrassment if they ever had to do a major adjustment in attitude. From slave master to a nation that serves the poor, the widows, the world? Not impossible but highly unlikely judging from the choice of candidates. More than likely America will be forced into submission someday, not by another nation, but by their own greed.
Rome is our greatest example.
 
Oh, sure. But the U.S. is already well along the course to its final disaaster. I'm not advocating Trump. There's nothing to advocate. But there's nothing on the other side, either. That's why it's a disaster.
 
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