TRUMP - Some people think......... How do you feel?

[Jaebius]

1. I don't bet.
2. You already know that since the days of the primaries I have been predicting a Trump victory.

Am beginning to feel like my prediction is a close-but-no-cigar. It seems increasingly like Clinton will take it. I do feel that Trump's popularity will grow as we near November 8, but not enough to beat Hillary. I don't think Clinton's victory will be a landslide, but I'm feeling like it will occur.

 

[Waterfall]

A closing thought.
This isn't an election campaign. This is a display of a dreadful human quality - the quality that makes us read scandal mags so we can feel assured of our own virtue. And that's been the level of debate in this whole affair. Unlike Trump, we are not ravenous for the flesh of good-looking women. And Hillary, presumably, does not either. case closed.
It's not that simple.
Millions of women have been killed, crippled, refugeed in recent years. They have been killed, crippled, refugeed not by Trump but by people like Hillary. But, oh, we are virtuous because we reject Trump and choose Hillary. Our positions are chosen not for any reason related to the election but to satisfy our sense of virtue.
The press has played this game to the hilt. Nobody has asked the obvious questions. What, precisely, are hillary policies? How does it enhance our virtue to elect a woman who would lower the taxes of the wealthy even further - thus making it necessary to deny food and shelter to great masses of people? How does her willingness to risk nuclear war and the further wars of conquest for the benefit of the rich rank as a virtue? And how does supporting it make us virtuous?
What does Trump stand for? Why do almost half of all Americans support him? The number is so great that it must include very large numbers of women. Are all those men and women expressions of a vice that drives them to seek the flesh of young women?
If not, what are they angry at? Shouldn't we try to learn that? My guess is they don't know what they're angry at because the press is so lying and corrupt it has never bothered to raise the question. And it could be very, very dangerous to have a nation in which half the population is so angry.
As so often happens with Christians - and, I suppose, other faiths -our first priority is not to seek solutions or to understand. It is simply to establsh our own virtue - and usually by hailing what we do not do rather than those things we do.
And so the whole object of the election is not to achieve anything. It is simply to parade our personal virtue.

This is an election which will choose a government that, so far, is leading the world in mass murder, exploitation, savagery. But the only issue we see is ourselves and our virtue.

And so we end up not discussing issues at all, but simply gathering like gossips at the village pump to exchange tales of the sins of those not so angelic as we are.

It isn't the first time that scandal was used to win an election. It's been tried and succeeded on many occasions. Just ask George Bush and Al Gore (Brook Brothers Riot), Nixon's Plumbers, or even John Kennedy's team turning up the heat by 2 degrees during the first televised debate between him and Nixon. They were aware that Nixon suffered from hyperhidrosis which caused Nixon to sweat profusely and appear nervous and less composed. And in a later election year against Lyndon Johnson, it's been said that Nixon purposely sabotaged the Paris Peace talks in order to win the election, causing more deaths in Vietnam. Scandal seems to be a staple for most elections going right back to Thomas Jefferson.
It seems the public can be played and used and politicians do use scandals sometimes. Americans may be getting played right now by the Democrats by exposing Trump.

I personally would welcome hearing some hard questions asked of her about why she feels war is necessary to secure oil and would she continue the use of drones and ensure no civilians are killed. Will she work on changing gun control laws to be more restrictive. Is there any circumstance that she would push that nuclear button? Will she raise taxes for the rich? When will she raise the minimum wage and to what?
This last debate really needs to put BOTH candidates on the hot seat. More direct questions that will make her more accountable to her own words and the American people after the election.

 

[Luce NDs]

A closing thought.
This isn't an election campaign. This is a display of a dreadful human quality - the quality that makes us read scandal mags so we can feel assured of our own virtue. And that's been the level of debate in this whole affair. Unlike Trump, we are not ravenous for the flesh of good-looking women. And Hillary, presumably, does not either. case closed.
It's not that simple.
Millions of women have been killed, crippled, refugeed in recent years. They have been killed, crippled, refugeed not by Trump but by people like Hillary. But, oh, we are virtuous because we reject Trump and choose Hillary. Our positions are chosen not for any reason related to the election but to satisfy our sense of virtue.
The press has played this game to the hilt. Nobody has asked the obvious questions. What, precisely, are hillary policies? How does it enhance our virtue to elect a woman who would lower the taxes of the wealthy even further - thus making it necessary to deny food and shelter to great masses of people? How does her willingness to risk nuclear war and the further wars of conquest for the benefit of the rich rank as a virtue? And how does supporting it make us virtuous?
What does Trump stand for? Why do almost half of all Americans support him? The number is so great that it must include very large numbers of women. Are all those men and women expressions of a vice that drives them to seek the flesh of young women?
If not, what are they angry at? Shouldn't we try to learn that? My guess is they don't know what they're angry at because the press is so lying and corrupt it has never bothered to raise the question. And it could be very, very dangerous to have a nation in which half the population is so angry.
As so often happens with Christians - and, I suppose, other faiths -our first priority is not to seek solutions or to understand. It is simply to establsh our own virtue - and usually by hailing what we do not do rather than those things we do.
And so the whole object of the election is not to achieve anything. It is simply to parade our personal virtue.

This is an election which will choose a government that, so far, is leading the world in mass murder, exploitation, savagery. But the only issue we see is ourselves and our virtue.

And so we end up not discussing issues at all, but simply gathering like gossips at the village pump to exchange tales of the sins of those not so angelic as we are.

Sort of like going to church to be changed by learning how the congregations behaves differently on Sunday ... for appearances sake ... a' facetiae? Thye prefer brutish power as a real winner ... the text on it has to be gentile though ... reality is really wrong ...

 

[Graeme Decarie]

Yes, this has been a campaign without issues of substance. Many Americans are not voting on policies at all. How could they? They don't know what the policies are. So the vote becomes really an expression of their own virtue. A vote for Trump will not, in fact, cause a rise in attacks on women. A vote for Clinton will most certainly cause a rise in the killiing of Muslims.
But the pious don't express their piety in what they approve of. They express it in what they don't approve of. That's why fundamentalists beyond their reproductive years just love to demonstrate against abortion - but never demonstrate against wars.
Clinton is an advocate of American exceptionalism, the belief that the U.S. has the right to invade any country it chooses, to kill for any reason it chooses. It's a belief that has killed more than 2 million innocent people in the last 15 years. But she doesn't grope women. So that's what's important.
Does she respect women? It certainly doesn't show. She has done nothing whatever for women who are poor, for those who are worst off - single mothers who are poor. Oh, she makes millions of them refugees, corpses. But she doesn't grope. And virtue is all those things one doesn't do.
Trump hasn't killed any women. But he talks meanly of them. The brute.
Oh, and Trump refuses to accept latinos or refugees. And Clinton says bring me your huddled masses????
No, she doesn't.
Both campaigns are largely devoid of morality of any sort. Both are devoid of charity. And the American (and Canadian) people obviously couldn't care less because they haven't said a word about either.
Love thy neighbour? Forget about it. True virtue lies not in doing good. True virtue lies in not doing anything.
The news media have played along with this shallow and superficial approach.
No matter who wins, this election is a disaster for the American people. And, quite possibly, for Canada as Trudeau now follows Harper in the caboose on the American train.
American corporations are committed to 'the final solution'. It's much the same as Hitler's final solution. and the virtuous in the U.S. embrace it as the virtuous in Germany embraced Hitler's final solution.

 

[Pinga]

@Graeme Decarie , do you have a suggestion for a solution. Is there a candidate that you feel could be voted in?

When I read your posts, I read doom and gloom. That there is NO solution that will meet your expectations.

If ou were dropped into the USA today as a citizen, what would be your action.

 

[Graeme Decarie]

Pinga, this is not a problem I created. I feel no guilt for it. Nor can I, a retired and obscure Canadian, present the U.S. with a solution to a disaster that has been created by trillions of dollars and a thoroughly corrupt and lying news media. If I were a doctor, I might be able to diagnose a cancer. But it does not follow I would be able to cure it. I don't feel guilty that I don't have a solution. But I think we all have to start by seeing the problem.
What would I do as a citizen? Well, I couldn't match Hillary's 145 million dollar campaign fund. Or her personal fortune.
Nor can i destroy the propaganda of the U.S. news media.
As an isolated and not very rich or influential citizen, the most I can do is what I do - write a daily blog on these issues, and write to this site.
What's needed, first, is to make people realize what is happening. What's needed secondly is to break the control of multi-billionaires over the election process and over the control of information. What's needed, and what I do to the best of my ability, is to alert Canadians that our own governments are closer to the American model than we might think. And I try to warn people that political change will not come from us self-righteously displaying our own virtue in defence of minor issues.
And, yes, i think disrespect of women is a minor issue in the face of the outright murder of millions of them, even if they are of a different religion from us.
We have to fundamentally change our politics so that they are about the needs of the whole society, and not just about the greed of billionaires.
We need to remind Christians that there's more to Christianity than keeping our skirts out of the dust.
You read doom and gloom because that's what there is. Would you prefer me to lie? You don't see doom and gloom?
WE have a climate problem we refuse to act on. We h ave created ten of millions of refugees who will haunt us for generations.l We have killed and are killing millions of innocent people so oil billionaires can conquer the world. We have put patriotism on a par with morality. (That's what Hitler did, too.)
At the age of 83, and with three children in university to support, I am not up to walking all over the United States ringing a bell and chanting "Save yourselves....."
To all of which, some will primly respond, "Well, if you don't have a solution, you shouldn't say anything."

We are facing an extremely dangerous situation. for the whole world. As a starting point, we have to recognize that. We have to recognize the whole scope of it.
And we have to go beyond the self-righteous gossip chatter that has characterized most of this debate.

 

[chansen]

Graeme, I don't disagree with many of your points, but I do wish there was some middle ground to media coverage.

Too often, it either completely glosses over the real problems with coverage of Kim and Kanye. The "alternative media" is just as bad, because they follow conspiracies and things that are probably not true, and ignore the real problems as well.

And I also agree that focusing on old interviews and email decisions misses the point. Hillary Clinton is a power hungry American who does not value human life as much as we would. Donald Trump, as a person, is at least one order of magnitude worse. He doesn't even value people he has met. He treats women like property. We have a sense of what Hillary would do, because she has had real power. Donald Trump only owned companies and beauty pageants, and we know how he treated those people. Extrapolate that, and giving him real power is scary.

 

[Pinga]

@Graeme Decarie ,So, say we knwo that, so yes, we get that it is a complicated situation, with many factors.

You feel your blog and posts are educational. Great.

Now, you have a choice, vote or not vote, and if vote, vote for one of the people ont he ballot or destroy your ballt.
What do you, as a citizen do.

You will have a president.

 

[Graeme Decarie]

Pinga - you seem to have trouble grasping the point. It's like asking which of the rogue emperors I would have chosen in the late days of Rome. Forget the babble of which would be worse. It doesn't matter whether the rattlesnake that bites you respects men or women. The bite is fatal in either case.
We know what Hillary would do because she has had real power? Well, whoopee. We know what Hitler would do, too. Would have make him a better choice? You can also stop worrying about Trump because if he tried to change course, he would immediately be dead. There are trillions of dollars at stake.
Chansen - you don't think giving power to Hillary is real scary????? She has been a major player in the policy that has sent the U.S. into a bottomless pit in foreign policy, and that has the U.S. on the edge of nuclear war.
There is no safer bet. Such a person does not exist.
Pinga, forget the self righteous posturing of "you have a choice". "You will have a president no matter what you do." That sounds staunch and responsible. But it's nonsense. There is no good outcome. So patting yourself on the back and saying, "at least I voted" might be good for your sense of virtue. But it has nothing to do with reality.
There is no best choice.
In fact, if anything, Trump is less prone to war than Hillary is. in fact, Hillary has criticized him for being soft on Putin.
Yes. It is gloom and doom. I'm sorry. I didn't do that. Gloom and doom is what I was presented with. And, no, I don't have an easy answer.
What Canadians should do - but almost certainly won't - is to consider how we should react to this. But we have thoughtlessly plodded along behind the U.S. since 1945. We sent troops to die in Afghanistan. Why? We sent aircraft to kill in Libya. Why? We have troops in Iraq who have been in action. Why? We are selling weapons to Saudi Arabia to kill people in Yemen. Why? We have troops in Latvia in a move that is very provocative, very dangerous, and of no value to Canada. Why? We sent troops to Haiti, pretending they were peacekeepers. They were really sent to help the U.S. overthrow of an elected government look legitimate.
Why are we in NATO, an organization that has become simply a device to extend American economic power?

I don't have the answers. And I didn't create the problems. I have not pretended to do either. I am simply pointing out what has happened.
But all you can do is parade your virtue and say, "At least I did my duty and voted." In either case, you will have voted for an extremely dangerous and vicious group of people. But you will have been patriotic. And, of course, polite to women of the right social class.

 

[Graeme Decarie]

Sorry I see gloom and doom. Next time, I'll wear a funny costume and make faces.

 

[Mendalla]

Sorry I see gloom and doom. Next time, I'll wear a funny costume and make faces.

And get arrested for being one of those freaky, threatening clowns.

 

[Graeme Decarie]

Yeah. That occured to me as I wrote it. (That's why I said funny costume rather than dress like a clown. But it didn't help.)

 

[Pinga]

@Graeme Decarie , my point is that all you seem to do is criticize and say, there is no solution. there is nothing that can be done, well, other than preach from on high that both answers are flawed.

I have worked with individuals with similair approach to problems. Rather than picking a solution and then working to make it the best for the time and place, they sit in their corner and bitch. They get more and more isolated. There is always truth, because no solution is perfect and no implementation goes without bumps, yet, they had no alternative.

I get that you see only one line, that I am flawed in thinking that vote matters, that a candidate's approach to 50% of the population matters, that other items about him matter, just as I see that there are multiple flaws with his competitor, including some of the decisions during her time in service.

So, I seek from you what your recommended approach to a solution to the problem is. If you were a citizen of the US, would you vote?

 

[Graeme Decarie]

Pinga, I know what you're doing. It's an old and very self-righteous game. You're bleating that I'm not giving solutions. I know that. I'm not trying to. I'm trying to present the severity of the problem. And, at this point, there is no solution.
You're trying to pretend we can put it all in a pretty wrapping, and everything will be all right. I've faced that kind of smug behaviour before.

 

[Luce NDs]

Then ... what authorities listen to critical thinking ... sort of approaches Jung's sense of a Quantum Sea ... a disturbed structure!

Thus the nature of the impossible dream ... something beyond reality ... the untouchable virtue ... way outa here!

Then if one doesn't grasp the concept of neurognosis ... I guess they would miss it ... the authorities that is ... they don't believe in history, archetypes and things to learn from past essences ... thus stuff of the abstract ... some call it the non existent mind or imaginary realm ...

 

[Luce NDs]

We sub physical people cannot contribute to solutions as we are antiphlogestinic ... a Nu's word indicating that only physical authority can accomplish these things as the sub population is more like demons provoking gods children ... as haunts!

We may appear as griffins or sphinx to the upright ... just smoking our way out of here ...

 

[Graeme Decarie]

Pinga, you are painfully naive. You are also a person who desperately wants to conform - not an unusual type. In my first year of teaching, I had a principal like you.
I had a girl in my class who was very ill. I took her to the school nurse who confirmed she was dangerously ill, and had to be in a hospital. I took the girl to her home and told this to her stepmother. (who was not pleased to see me. - and refused to promise anything.
I returned to the school, and told the principal we had to take action. He said, "Now, Mr. Decarie, we don't want to cause a fuss, do we? You know, this would be a much nicer world if people were just nice to each other."
Next day, the girl was dead.
The U.S. is dominated by billionaires so corrupt and greedy that they happily kill millions to get richer They have destroyed whole nations. They would quite as happily destroy you - and they likely will. Those greedy killers - well, Trump is one of them, and Hlllary works for them.
There is no nice way out of this. there is no possibility in the sort of prissy and self-righteous fluttering you specialize in.
The US is funding ISIS. Do you understand that? It is helping to kill the poorest people in the world in Yemen. Do you understand that? It is murdering Syrians. Right now, russia is the one that's fighting ISIS. Are you able to follow me so far?
The US is killing this people to get full control of their oil so the billionaires can get richer and avoid paying taxes on it. North Americans live in the streets and starve or are malnourished because the billionaires don't pay taxes. Governments in south America are destroyed and nations swept into poverty for the same reason. Vast areas of forest, land and water are polluted so that greedy billionaires can make more money out of them.
Ever read "Heart of Darkness" about the Congo? (or do big books confuse you?). That's about the mass murder in the Congo that is still going on.
Oil billionaires refuse to allow steps to deal with climate change. Yes, it will kill us all. But, oil produces great profits. And I have no doubt you have some compromise for that, too.
Hillary is up to her ears in all this. And there is no sign that Trump thinks any differently. This is vile, rotten, and criminal beyond words.
But I know. You think it would be better if we all just gathered together in a nice way, and sang, "Let's all sing like the birdies sing, tweet, tweet, tweet, tweet, tweet...."

 

[Graeme Decarie]

like it or not, we're in a fight. Try not to be such a wimp.

 

[Pinga]

No, Graeme. I am asking what would you do.
Vote for a candidat

Pinga, you are painfully naive. You are also a person who desperately wants to conform - not an unusual type. In my first year of teaching, I had a principal like you.
I had a girl in my class who was very ill. I took her to the school nurse who confirmed she was dangerously ill, and had to be in a hospital. I took the girl to her home and told this to her stepmother. (who was not pleased to see me. - and refused to promise anything.
I returned to the school, and told the principal we had to take action. He said, "Now, Mr. Decarie, we don't want to cause a fuss, do we? You know, this would be a much nicer world if people were just nice to each other."
Next day, the girl was dead.
The U.S. is dominated by billionaires so corrupt and greedy that they happily kill millions to get richer They have destroyed whole nations. They would quite as happily destroy you - and they likely will. Those greedy killers - well, Trump is one of them, and Hlllary works for them.
There is no nice way out of this. there is no possibility in the sort of prissy and self-righteous fluttering you specialize in.
The US is funding ISIS. Do you understand that? It is helping to kill the poorest people in the world in Yemen. Do you understand that? It is murdering Syrians. Right now, russia is the one that's fighting ISIS. Are you able to follow me so far?
The US is killing this people to get full control of their oil so the billionaires can get richer and avoid paying taxes on it. North Americans live in the streets and starve or are malnourished because the billionaires don't pay taxes. Governments in south America are destroyed and nations swept into poverty for the same reason. Vast areas of forest, land and water are polluted so that greedy billionaires can make more money out of them.
Ever read "Heart of Darkness" about the Congo? (or do big books confuse you?). That's about the mass murder in the Congo that is still going on.
Oil billionaires refuse to allow steps to deal with climate change. Yes, it will kill us all. But, oil produces great profits. And I have no doubt you have some compromise for that, too.
Hillary is up to her ears in all this. And there is no sign that Trump thinks any differently. This is vile, rotten, and criminal beyond words.
But I know. You think it would be better if we all just gathered together in a nice way, and sang, "Let's all sing like the birdies sing, tweet, tweet, tweet, tweet, tweet...."

Nice, try, @Graeme. I understand that personal attacks are your style, rather than actually addressing the individual. You have no idea how I approach problems nor do I understand why you seem to enjoy puting down people.

So, I have asked you a question.
Would you vote? If you would, who would you vote for.

You want to keep avoiding it?

 

[Lastpointe]

Am i the only one here who doesnt believe Graeme. What a load of bile he spews