Graeme Decarie
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I have no faith in the American people. So far, they haven't shown enough brains to realize what the major issues are. Nor, for that matter, have Canadians.
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Trump is not a very good businessman - keep in mind. And he is vindictive over petty things - the makings of a tyrant. He is a different breed. His reason for war would likely be personal.
You can't blame Hillary for 80 years. If the course is going to be reversed, Trump is not the one to do it. Hillary may not accomplish it either but in 4 years maybe someone better can be elected. She is the safer choice!
Graeme if you would elect Trump over Hillary, even if those things were the case - we really are not having a rational conversation. I strongly disagree but I won't argue with you anymore. If you don't think women's inequality in the U.S. is not a major issue - as it is all over the world - one of the bigger issues - we have nothing to discuss.
It's time the ol' boys club made room for changes and I think Hillary has a chance to change things, at least start to, for the better.
You can't blame Hillary for 80 years. If the course is going to be reversed, Trump is not the one to do it. Hillary may not accomplish it either but in 4 years maybe someone better can be elected. She is the safer choice!
Graeme if you would elect Trump over Hillary, even if those things were the case - we really are not having a rational conversation. I strongly disagree but I won't argue with you anymore. If you don't think women's inequality in the U.S. is not a major issue - as it is all over the world - one of the bigger issues - we have nothing to discuss.
It's time the ol' boys club made room for changes and I think Hillary has a chance to change things, at least start to, for the better.
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Graeme Decarie
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You never did argue. You just repeated your same points over and over.
Hillary is a leading member of a government that has killed millions, refugeed many tens of millions, that is supporting ISIS, nad has us on the brink of nuclear war.
And she's the safer choice?
Has she ever said a word about wanting to make some changes in what she has been a part of?
And you think she would be safe for four years?
And Trump is not a good businessman? But Hilary is? (If she isn't, then what is your point?)
And it's safe to have her for four years?
Nor did I ever say I would vote for either of them. Try to understand that. They are both hopelessly bad. The western world is crashing into a fundamental abandonment of democracy. That's the issue. Neither of them recognizes it. Nor can either do anything about it because both are the puppets of the multi-billionaires who run our political systems.
obviously, you haven't understood a word i have said.
Hillary is a leading member of a government that has killed millions, refugeed many tens of millions, that is supporting ISIS, nad has us on the brink of nuclear war.
And she's the safer choice?
Has she ever said a word about wanting to make some changes in what she has been a part of?
And you think she would be safe for four years?
And Trump is not a good businessman? But Hilary is? (If she isn't, then what is your point?)
And it's safe to have her for four years?
Nor did I ever say I would vote for either of them. Try to understand that. They are both hopelessly bad. The western world is crashing into a fundamental abandonment of democracy. That's the issue. Neither of them recognizes it. Nor can either do anything about it because both are the puppets of the multi-billionaires who run our political systems.
obviously, you haven't understood a word i have said.
Neo
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I think Hillary will end up getting elected, even the Republican party itself is starting to turn on Trump. But will Hilary change things? I doubt it, and that the reason why Trump got as far as he did, people are sick of the status quo.
Graeme Decarie
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To save you time ......
From Kimmio to Graeme....I think Hillary is better because Trump is a bad businessman. And I think you're wrong to vote for Trump.
From Kimmio to Graeme....I think Hillary is better because Trump is a bad businessman. And I think you're wrong to vote for Trump.
I think Hillary is better because Trump is a vindictive dangerous impulsive racist and misogynist, and creep. He's also a swindler. He cares for nobody but himself.
(I'll venture to say that if rampant misogyny - as well as other forms of bigotry - were not the case for the entire world's history, we'd have fewer wars and a better world. But that's a risky thing to say for some reason.)
Graeme Decarie
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????????? What pressure? From whom? The american people have no idea what the issues are. That's why they're babbling discussing trivia and irrelevances. And she is certainly not going to turn against the billionairies who have made her wealthy.
isn't Trump under pressure, too? So by your own reasoning, we should vote for him because of this election.
your reply is below.
to Graeme - At least Hillary doesn't grope women.
isn't Trump under pressure, too? So by your own reasoning, we should vote for him because of this election.
your reply is below.
to Graeme - At least Hillary doesn't grope women.
Neo
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ha, ha, ha ... good one. I don't have much faith in her. The US is in a sad state of affairs. The only solution for it and the rest of the world today lay in a single word: "sharing". But that word implies sacrifice and trust, two virtues the world is sadly lacking these days.
Graeme Decarie
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Did misogyny cause the wars of Catherine the Great? Elizabeth one. The many and brutal wars of Queen Victoria?
Do you have the faintest idea what causes wars?
Do you have the faintest idea what causes wars?
Ritafee
Is Being Human
Give me a break ... 30 seconds is a full time job?
You should read the book. It's a good one. - Rita
Graeme Decarie
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Give credit where credit is due. This is a list of some of the blandest and most meaningless quotations every penned. it reminds me of the Saturday Faith Page in new Brunswick's Irving press chain. The Irvings also have their very own church, modestly named after themselves. It invites us peasants every Sunday for the summer, usually with a rentarev who has a DD, and with special music- And coffee and discussion in the barn.
Nothing could more perfectly illustrate the decline of religion.
Nothing could more perfectly illustrate the decline of religion.
Aggressive, narrow minded a**holes with weapons.
Insults over intelligence?
Consider the words and implications of the genesis of the tree of knowledge rising from a primal swamp ... is naïveté a religious order? Perhaps it supports a subtle organization ... partisans with sacred habits?
Inukshuk
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[QUOTE="Graeme Decarie, post: 140472, member: 222"
This is more than an election. This is a descent into insanity. And if I heard that trump groped crippled, male babies, i'd stilll vote for him over a Hillary -
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You would vote for Trump, yet you continue to lament that the western world is crashing?
This is more than an election. This is a descent into insanity. And if I heard that trump groped crippled, male babies, i'd stilll vote for him over a Hillary -
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You would vote for Trump, yet you continue to lament that the western world is crashing?
Graeme Decarie
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If I were a voter and had to vote, I would vote for Trump (with shame and reluctance) because Hillary is even more dangerous.
The US is run by the war and oil industries. They want a war with Russia ASAP because the U.S. is in decline, and they don't have much time left. In fifteen years of the biggedst defence budgets in the world, and with a large population, it is lost in a pit of wars against much smaller and weaker countries. And China is on the rise. That war has to be soon or never. Hillary is owned by those industries, and always has been. ( the western world has never appreciated the years of looting and murder and arrogance that created China's hatred of us).
And any such war would go nuclear. The U.S. has set up nuclear missile sites in Europe near the Russia border. That's a very provocative thing to do. When the russians tried to do that to the U.S. in the Cuba crisis, the U.S. threatened war. Do you think ths U.S. doing that for fun? And what if Russia responds by returninig to Cuba? (I ithink it likely that it will.)
Tump is obnoxious, unprincipled, amoral, greedy. If elected, it's quite likely he would be assassinated so the war can go on. He's a vile choice. But two vile choices are all there are.
We aren't paying attention to the real crisis here. The real crisis is that American democracy can produce only these two to run for president. That crisis does not end on election. It starts then. (Now Kimmio will tell us Hillary cooks lovely tarts.)
The western world is crashing with either Hillary or Donald. The U.S. has been at war almost continuously since 1775. It has built the biggest empire in history, one as cruel and criminal as most empires are. It used World Wars One and Two to make itelf a superpower. In the process the wealthy have hopelessly corrupted the only two political parties big enough to matter.
And it's military performance has been crashing for at least sixty years. And it's domestic stability is crashing.
Yes. The western world is crashing. A healthy world does not produce just a Trump and a Clinton.
There is no alternative to those two because the American people have been propagandized and lied to ever since 1776. They have no idea what their options are. All they have are visions of American flags on football helmets, referee shirts, and hands held on hearts as they celebrate their alleigiance to a democracy that has never existed got any purpose than to make it's wealthy wealthier.
Choose either personification of rot you please..
Want a list of countries that are actively at war - and most of them illegally, U.S., Canada, Saudi Arabia, Britain, France, Italy, Russia. maybe China and India, Sudan and other African countries, Yemen, Libya . And more. The UN is dead, deliberately destroyed - especially by the U.S.
Everything we were told we fought for in World War Two has been destroyed. Pure greed has taken over in the form of the very, very wealthy of the U.S. and there hangers-on in Canada and Europe.
This is not an election. This is a crisis.
Please stop discussing it as though it were the Miss America Contest.
The US is run by the war and oil industries. They want a war with Russia ASAP because the U.S. is in decline, and they don't have much time left. In fifteen years of the biggedst defence budgets in the world, and with a large population, it is lost in a pit of wars against much smaller and weaker countries. And China is on the rise. That war has to be soon or never. Hillary is owned by those industries, and always has been. ( the western world has never appreciated the years of looting and murder and arrogance that created China's hatred of us).
And any such war would go nuclear. The U.S. has set up nuclear missile sites in Europe near the Russia border. That's a very provocative thing to do. When the russians tried to do that to the U.S. in the Cuba crisis, the U.S. threatened war. Do you think ths U.S. doing that for fun? And what if Russia responds by returninig to Cuba? (I ithink it likely that it will.)
Tump is obnoxious, unprincipled, amoral, greedy. If elected, it's quite likely he would be assassinated so the war can go on. He's a vile choice. But two vile choices are all there are.
We aren't paying attention to the real crisis here. The real crisis is that American democracy can produce only these two to run for president. That crisis does not end on election. It starts then. (Now Kimmio will tell us Hillary cooks lovely tarts.)
The western world is crashing with either Hillary or Donald. The U.S. has been at war almost continuously since 1775. It has built the biggest empire in history, one as cruel and criminal as most empires are. It used World Wars One and Two to make itelf a superpower. In the process the wealthy have hopelessly corrupted the only two political parties big enough to matter.
And it's military performance has been crashing for at least sixty years. And it's domestic stability is crashing.
Yes. The western world is crashing. A healthy world does not produce just a Trump and a Clinton.
There is no alternative to those two because the American people have been propagandized and lied to ever since 1776. They have no idea what their options are. All they have are visions of American flags on football helmets, referee shirts, and hands held on hearts as they celebrate their alleigiance to a democracy that has never existed got any purpose than to make it's wealthy wealthier.
Choose either personification of rot you please..
Want a list of countries that are actively at war - and most of them illegally, U.S., Canada, Saudi Arabia, Britain, France, Italy, Russia. maybe China and India, Sudan and other African countries, Yemen, Libya . And more. The UN is dead, deliberately destroyed - especially by the U.S.
Everything we were told we fought for in World War Two has been destroyed. Pure greed has taken over in the form of the very, very wealthy of the U.S. and there hangers-on in Canada and Europe.
This is not an election. This is a crisis.
Please stop discussing it as though it were the Miss America Contest.
Graeme Decarie
Well-Known Member
Well, China might be a better choice.
Canada's whole history of the last 500 or so years has been tied to be in the service of a foreign empire, whether French, British or American. I see no sign of us breaking out of that.
Canada's whole history of the last 500 or so years has been tied to be in the service of a foreign empire, whether French, British or American. I see no sign of us breaking out of that.
You would vote for Trump, yet you continue to lament that the western world is crashing?[/QUOTE]
There cannot be insanity in politics ... because there is no respect for the conception of confusion and few stoics prescribe to chaos theory as they feel all is in order ... except love that causes confusion ... and politicians would love to rule over us ... isn't that the purpose of the chaotic insanity?
Graeme Decarie
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A closing thought.
This isn't an election campaign. This is a display of a dreadful human quality - the quality that makes us read scandal mags so we can feel assured of our own virtue. And that's been the level of debate in this whole affair. Unlike Trump, we are not ravenous for the flesh of good-looking women. And Hillary, presumably, does not either. case closed.
It's not that simple.
Millions of women have been killed, crippled, refugeed in recent years. They have been killed, crippled, refugeed not by Trump but by people like Hillary. But, oh, we are virtuous because we reject Trump and choose Hillary. Our positions are chosen not for any reason related to the election but to satisfy our sense of virtue.
The press has played this game to the hilt. Nobody has asked the obvious questions. What, precisely, are hillary policies? How does it enhance our virtue to elect a woman who would lower the taxes of the wealthy even further - thus making it necessary to deny food and shelter to great masses of people? How does her willingness to risk nuclear war and the further wars of conquest for the benefit of the rich rank as a virtue? And how does supporting it make us virtuous?
What does Trump stand for? Why do almost half of all Americans support him? The number is so great that it must include very large numbers of women. Are all those men and women expressions of a vice that drives them to seek the flesh of young women?
If not, what are they angry at? Shouldn't we try to learn that? My guess is they don't know what they're angry at because the press is so lying and corrupt it has never bothered to raise the question. And it could be very, very dangerous to have a nation in which half the population is so angry.
As so often happens with Christians - and, I suppose, other faiths -our first priority is not to seek solutions or to understand. It is simply to establsh our own virtue - and usually by hailing what we do not do rather than those things we do.
And so the whole object of the election is not to achieve anything. It is simply to parade our personal virtue.
This is an election which will choose a government that, so far, is leading the world in mass murder, exploitation, savagery. But the only issue we see is ourselves and our virtue.
And so we end up not discussing issues at all, but simply gathering like gossips at the village pump to exchange tales of the sins of those not so angelic as we are.
This isn't an election campaign. This is a display of a dreadful human quality - the quality that makes us read scandal mags so we can feel assured of our own virtue. And that's been the level of debate in this whole affair. Unlike Trump, we are not ravenous for the flesh of good-looking women. And Hillary, presumably, does not either. case closed.
It's not that simple.
Millions of women have been killed, crippled, refugeed in recent years. They have been killed, crippled, refugeed not by Trump but by people like Hillary. But, oh, we are virtuous because we reject Trump and choose Hillary. Our positions are chosen not for any reason related to the election but to satisfy our sense of virtue.
The press has played this game to the hilt. Nobody has asked the obvious questions. What, precisely, are hillary policies? How does it enhance our virtue to elect a woman who would lower the taxes of the wealthy even further - thus making it necessary to deny food and shelter to great masses of people? How does her willingness to risk nuclear war and the further wars of conquest for the benefit of the rich rank as a virtue? And how does supporting it make us virtuous?
What does Trump stand for? Why do almost half of all Americans support him? The number is so great that it must include very large numbers of women. Are all those men and women expressions of a vice that drives them to seek the flesh of young women?
If not, what are they angry at? Shouldn't we try to learn that? My guess is they don't know what they're angry at because the press is so lying and corrupt it has never bothered to raise the question. And it could be very, very dangerous to have a nation in which half the population is so angry.
As so often happens with Christians - and, I suppose, other faiths -our first priority is not to seek solutions or to understand. It is simply to establsh our own virtue - and usually by hailing what we do not do rather than those things we do.
And so the whole object of the election is not to achieve anything. It is simply to parade our personal virtue.
This is an election which will choose a government that, so far, is leading the world in mass murder, exploitation, savagery. But the only issue we see is ourselves and our virtue.
And so we end up not discussing issues at all, but simply gathering like gossips at the village pump to exchange tales of the sins of those not so angelic as we are.