TRUMP - Some people think......... How do you feel?

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This I will share - I'm finding it increasingly more lonely to be a Donald Trump supporter. It seems like everyone I know is either neutral on the election or is rooting for Clinton. I've had conversations now with friends from my former church, friends from my new church, my seminary cohort, family, and online. Even Yobo, my Yobo, has said to me, "Hillary is better than Trump. He's craaazy." The question I've heard most often comes down to this, "How can you be a Christian and support Trump?" Indeed, some have said, "You can't be a Christian and support Trump!"
 
It is well known that in 2009, of the top 100 largest economic entities of the world, 44 were corporations. The wealth of these families, which are among the top 10% shareholders in each of these, is far in excess of national economies. In fact, total global GDP is around 70 trillion dollars. The Rothschild family wealth alone is estimated to be in the trillions of dollars. So is the case with the Rockefellers who were helped and provided money all along by the Rothschilds. The US has an annual GDP in the range of 14-15 trillion dollars. This pales into insignificance before the wealth of these trillionaires. With the US government and most European countries in debt to the Elite, there should be absolutely no doubt as to who owns the world and who controls it.

@Pinga
Your social circle's feelings do not factor into the big picture. Hillary’s relationship with the Rothschild family social circle does.

To quote Eustace Mullins from his book The World Order:

The Rothschilds rule the US through their Foundations, the Council on Foreign Relations, and the Federal Reserve System with no serious challenges to their power.

Apart from corporate sponsors like big oil and energy companies, it’s not a secret that Hillary has the banking of those who literally control the supply of money, those who basically created this entire system. A great example comes from a $100,000 a head fundraiser at the home of Lynn Forester de Rothschild, a prominent New York businesswoman, and a member of the famous Rothschild banking family. A family that has been “pulling the strings of many different governments through their control of various economic systems throughout the world.”

Expensive ‘political campaigns’ are routinely conducted, with carefully screened candidates who are pledged to the program of the World Order.
Should they deviate from the program, they would have an ‘accident’, be framed on a sex charge, or indicted in some financial irregularity.
 
The latest revelations about Trump and his groping of women is a sign of the trivializing of this election, and the role the press is playing.
Yes. Trump is a pretty vile character. So was John F. Kennedy. JFK was raised that way by his father who used to bring his love of the moment home to use his bedroom - with the whole family at home, and sometimes with visitors. Bill Clinton was notorious not only for his sexual busy-ness, but for his taste for very young girls. Roosevelt had a mistress- his secretary. Abraham Lincoln had one. in fact, it's hard to find a president who was not a groper.
But this is the first time it's a big election issue. That's partly because the press is being told to attack Trump. It's also because neither Trump nor Clinton has any real issues to discuss. And, in any case, either of them will be tools in the hands of very big money - beyond that of even the Koch brothers.
We're watching a moral and intellectual collapse that makes ancient Rome look kind of sweet. And the results are going to be very, very serious. We're watching the end of an age.
The idea that either candidate is better than the other is beyond naive.
 
It is sad and painful that man’s most beautiful construction, and the source of most power and wealth on earth, viz. scientific knowledge – the most sublime, most powerful and most organized expression of man’s inherent gift of thought, wonder and awe – became a tool for subjugation of humanity, a very dangerous tool in the hands of a tiny group of men. These men “hire” the scientist and take away, as a matter of right, the power the scientist creates through his inventions. This power is then used for their own purposes, at immense human and material cost to mankind. The goal of this handful of men, the members of the wealthiest families on the planet, the Elite, is a New World Order, a One World Government, under their control.

It Is What It Is. Saying It Isn't ... to quote Graeme ... "beyond naive" .
 
monk said:
It is well known that in 2009, of the top 100 largest economic entities of the world, 44 were corporations. The wealth of these families, which are among the top 10% shareholders in each of these, is far in excess of national economies. In fact, total global GDP is around 70 trillion dollars. The Rothschild family wealth alone is estimated to be in the trillions of dollars. So is the case with the Rockefellers who were helped and provided money all along by the Rothschilds. The US has an annual GDP in the range of 14-15 trillion dollars. This pales into insignificance before the wealth of these trillionaires. With the US government and most European countries in debt to the Elite, there should be absolutely no doubt as to who owns the world and who controls it.

@Pinga
Your social circle's feelings do not factor into the big picture. Hillary’s relationship with the Rothschild family social circle does.

To quote Eustace Mullins from his book The World Order:

The Rothschilds rule the US through their Foundations, the Council on Foreign Relations, and the Federal Reserve System with no serious challenges to their power.

Apart from corporate sponsors like big oil and energy companies, it’s not a secret that Hillary has the banking of those who literally control the supply of money, those who basically created this entire system. A great example comes from a $100,000 a head fundraiser at the home of Lynn Forester de Rothschild, a prominent New York businesswoman, and a member of the famous Rothschild banking family. A family that has been “pulling the strings of many different governments through their control of various economic systems throughout the world.”

Expensive ‘political campaigns’ are routinely conducted, with carefully screened candidates who are pledged to the program of the World Order.
Should they deviate from the program, they would have an ‘accident’, be framed on a sex charge, or indicted in some financial irregularity.
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In terms of voting they do
 
Pinga said:
In terms of voting they do
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Reality is just too real for most of us, so we temper it with the mind.

Worldly means that you think the solution to your inner problems is in the world outside.

So there are two ways you can live: you can devote your life to staying in your comfort zone, or you can work on your freedom. In other words, you can devote your whole life to the process of making sure everything fits within your limited model, or you can devote your life to freeing yourself from the limits of your model.
 
It is an election issue. I don't care if Roosevelt did it, if JFK did it, if Bill Clinton did it. It's 2016 and that is not an acceptable "leadership" quality in a president and it's about time it wasn't accepted as a norm. Girls and women deserve better from their president. And I shouldn't have to point it out - but Hillary is not Bill. She may have forgiven him, but that does not mean that demeaning women and condoning abuse of women is okay to continue - for anyone, let alone POTUS. Women make up a very significant portion of the electorate. Equality is an important issue - and attitude and character are important issues. Don't bore me with one world gubment crap, and the Rockerfellers. That is a conspiracy distraction by the underground media - and being underground does not automatically make them more credible than MSM sources.

The MSM is just not sitting on their hands anymore because it's too evident how dangerously unfit Trump is. They made a mistake treating him like a legit candidate in the first place and making him into a ratings magnet.
 
monk said:
Reality is just too real for most of us, so we temper it with the mind.

Worldly means that you think the solution to your inner problems is in the world outside.

So there are two ways you can live: you can devote your life to staying in your comfort zone, or you can work on your freedom. In other words, you can devote your whole life to the process of making sure everything fits within your limited model, or you can devote your life to freeing yourself from the limits of your model.
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And this is a quote from a book.
Dang, full time job, monk
https://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/950132.Michael_A_Singer?page=3
 
You know, I beginning to believe that maybe Trump is doing America a favour by bringing out the worst of American politics by showing people, up front and out in the open, the true underbelly of it all. Clinton is no angel, she could take us into war with Russia in Syria in a heartbeat and on the campaign trial she's all for the people, but in truth she's always been for big business. That Trump is an agnorant ass is no secret but at least he's honest about who he is. Can we say the same about Clinton?

It's time for a dramatic change in the US. Maybe this is how America makes it happen.
 
I think she will likely be elected at this point and she will be held more accountable by the voters - and by people like Bernie Sanders and Al Franken and Elizabeth Warren - after this election experience. People are not going to be as complacent - but they still mostly recognize that Trump is a greater potential disaster. He's more likely to go to war over an insult.
 
kimmio, are you unaware that she has been a leading member of a government that in the last 80 years has murdered over two million men, women and children - over half of that women and chilren plys civilian men? Are you aware that other are dead from deliberate starvation? That she and her cohorts have created the biggest refugee crisis ever - with hunknown millions of refugee men, women and children made refugees in a world that doesn't want them? And they are dying as well of starvation and murder and drowning in their flight.

And if groping is such big issue for you, how about the fact that this women (and children) who are fleeing are suffering rape, starvation, drowning every day?
And in the midst of this, your most insightful comment is that at least they aren't being groped? You're right, of course. The dead (usually) aren't groped. and the uncountable rapes probably don't waste time groping.
Hilary Clinton has been deeply involved in one of the most vicious periods in history. Hillary has joked about it. When Ghadaffi was murder with a knife stuck up his rectum, her only comment was, "We came, we saw, he died." Then she laughed in high glee.
I would not want to grope her. but strangling would be attractive.
Worse that all of this is that you have no grasp of what all this means This is not village council election. This one marks a fundamental change that has been developing for over two hundred years, and that takes us back hundreds of years more.

The old aristocracy which monopolized wealth and power for centuries was based on an inherited rigiht to rule. Ability, brains, had nothing to do with it. As a result, Europe was ruled by a class whose inbreeding had resulted in a high proportion of opinionated and self-worshipping asses who had suffered low intelligence and mental disturbances from their long history of inbreeding. There is, in particular, a long history of this in the British royal family - and is still notable in, for example, Charles, and one his sons. Other gems were Edward VIII, some who had to be institutionalized, one who died mysteriously (he suffered, even more severely) fromo the sexual perversions of Charles' son. Prince Phillip's father had no talent for military command at all - But he was given high rank because he was a lord - and many a soldier died because of that.

We have been creating a new aristocracy of wealth. It is surely not possible that every Rockefeller born in the last comple of centuries just happened to be a financial genius. the same has been true of few families in Canada. But every generation, the head of the coporation is yet another member of the family.
The wealthy have long had a stranglehold on government. Canada's p.m., mackenzie king, for example, sold himself to the rockefellers even before he entered politics.
They're now going even further. They directly set all government policies - and elections have no bearing on what those policies will be. As they have proven, they don't give a damn for any people, not even those in their own countries. That's why Canada and the U.S. are well down the list of wealth distribbution among developed countries. And it's actually getting worse.
These people also have ruthless, uncaring and murderous on a grand scale. I rather expect there are a million or more Muslim women who would rather have been groped than blown up or starved to death or drowned.

A fundamental change is happening in world governance. We can no longer even pretend that democracy exists. And the new
aristocracy has proven ruthless enough to use nuclear war - and that greedy twit Hillary is on there side.

This is more than an election. This is a descent into insanity. And if I heard that trump groped crippled, male babies, i'd stilll vote for him over a Hillary - except that I know neither he nor Hillary will make any difference.

There is something remarkably decadent and even rotten about debating a major election on the basis of whether Trump gropes or Hillary has pneumonia. The are irrelelvant and the voters are irrelevant.

The fundamental issue here is the collapse of democracy, and the final rise of a class made stupid by greed.
 
Oh - kimmio - nobody goes to war over an insult. Wars are fought to make money for the rich. If you don't agree, give me a list of wars caused by insults. Make my day. I taught military history.
 
Kimmio said:
I think she will likely be elected at this point and she will be held more accountable by the voters - and by people like Bernie Sanders and Al Franken and Elizabeth Warren - after this election experience. People are not going to be as complacent - but they still mostly recognize that Trump is a greater potential disaster. He's more likely to go to war over an insult.
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Actually, I wonder about this last statement. I remember thinking this quite a while ago because Trump is a buisness man, and unless there was a real vested interest for him to do so he may not be as apt to jump onto the war machine. Not that that really matters, I don't believe the President has that much control over what really goes on.

Considering the choice between Trump and Clinton, I think Sanders was the best choice.
 
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