TRUMP - Some people think......... How do you feel?

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Kimmio said:
I see a huge danger that if a system is going to be ripped down by destructive populist impulses - what will replace it will be just as bad or worse. That is what is brewing down south and in Europe. We should know better. And, we are a democracy - and we let the 1% gain power by buying into trickle down economics and electing people to pass laws like corporate personhood, and shaping the big money lobby (well, we don't have that so much here but we are affected by it coming from down south). But the thing with having a citizen run system is it gives a framework to begin to peacefully undo the laws that oppress people - and a peaceful means to challenge injustice. We are fortunate to have that. Our early ancestors didn't and neither do many in the world today.
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No one is free when others are oppressed. - Mahatma Gandhi
 
Kimmio said:
I agree.
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In principle or in deed?

It is much easier to fight for principles than to live up to them and it takes a far braver person to stand up for what is right and spit in the face of authority than it does to blindly follow orders due to fear of the consequences. - Max Igan

@ChemGal ... back to 'Trumps'

I 'feel' that the 'Trumps' of the world represent the money system - 'the head of the snake' so to speak.

'Cutting off the head of 'Trumps' snake to let the rest of it whither and die' does not require violence, guns, banners, slogans, or group think.

'Cutting off the head of the 'Trumps' snake does require a united act of global non compliance.

Non compliance for 'Trumps' things in conflict with the directives out lined in the universal declaration of human rights would be a good start.

Simply stop giving people represented by the 'Trumps' of the world the power to control you.

Understand that the only power the 'Trumps' have is the power the people themselves grant to them.

Understand that the 'Trumps' injustice towards one is injustice towards all.

There should be no grey area in your mind in regard to that about the 'Trumps'.

There truly are deep dark forces at work controlling things in the 'Trumps' system through the manipulation of the money system.

That manipulation is how 'Trumps' global control is maintained and it is that system that must first be addressed

Its all very well for us to all talk about this 'Trumps' stuff and to continue learning and gathering more information about it ...

but the time for merely gathering information about the 'Trumps' is now passed.

What is needed now is action, and it is needed very quickly because the 'Trumps' prison door is swinging shut.

Everyone needs to stop going along with the 'Trumps' of the world.

Its time to cut the head off the snake. - that is how I 'feel' about the 'Trumps'.

*substitute Clintons, Obamas or Trudeaus for Trumps without losing any context.
 
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I disagree about substituting the names and you get the same thing. They are 3 people with 3 different histories and personalities. Trump is indeed himself. And he is helping spread hate around the world. He helped spread hate about Obama for many years, generating populist racism.

I would never spit in anyone's face, though. Not the only way to deal with oppression.
 
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monk said:
In principle or in deed?

It is much easier to fight for principles than to live up to them and it takes a far braver person to stand up for what is right and spit in the face of authority than it does to blindly follow orders due to fear of the consequences. - Max Igan

@ChemGal ... back to 'Trumps'

I 'feel' that the 'Trumps' of the world represent the money system - 'the head of the snake' so to speak.

'Cutting off the head of 'Trumps' snake to let the rest of it whither and die' does not require violence, guns, banners, slogans, or group think.

'Cutting off the head of the 'Trumps' snake does require a united act of global non compliance.

Non compliance for 'Trumps' things in conflict with the directives out lined in the universal declaration of human rights would be a good start.

Simply stop giving people represented by the 'Trumps' of the world the power to control you.

Understand that the only power the 'Trumps' have is the power the people themselves grant to them.

Understand that the 'Trumps' injustice towards one is injustice towards all.

There should be no grey area in your mind in regard to that about the 'Trumps'.

There truly are deep dark forces at work controlling things in the 'Trumps' system through the manipulation of the money system.

That manipulation is how 'Trumps' global control is maintained and it is that system that must first be addressed

Its all very well for us to all talk about this 'Trumps' stuff and to continue learning and gathering more information about it ...

but the time for merely gathering information about the 'Trumps' is now passed.

What is needed now is action, and it is needed very quickly because the 'Trumps' prison door is swinging shut.

Everyone needs to stop going along with the 'Trumps' of the world.

Its time to cut the head off the snake. - that is how I 'feel' about the 'Trumps'.

*substitute Clintons, Obamas or Trudeaus for Trumps without losing any context.
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This sounds like "group think" propaganda - all emotion no reason.
 
Kimmio said:
This sounds like propaganda - all emotion no reason.
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and that sounds like Scapegoating -
another propaganda technique that has been used throughout history as a means for people to move blame and responsibility away from themselves by attributing it to others (or to an object or event).

A scapegoat is the person or group made to bear the blame for or punished for those errors committed by others.
 
monk said:
and that sounds like Scapegoating -
another propaganda technique that has been used throughout history as a means for people to move blame and responsibility away from themselves by attributing it to others (or to an object or event).

A scapegoat is the person or group made to bear the blame for or punished for those errors committed by others.
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I know you are but what am I? Are we playing that game?
 
It is a sad event when such a bombastic candidate as Trump is neck and neck with Clinton. Of course it is because she could likely be the worst Democratic candidate since Obama.

300,000 people and this is the best they get

I know many Americans who are considering not voting for either. And that is sad

Who should the candidates be? It takes money. It takes power. It takes being on the inside. Though of course Obama showed that you didnt have to be totally on the inside, just have a nice way with words. " yes we can!" Do what? No one seemed to ask him and eight years later, things are worse not better in the USA

I hate all the talk od their election but its inevitable as we are so tied to them. I am about to spend a buisiness trip with 90 americans and my hubby has laid down the rules. "Do not talk politics, ever". I will try
 
Lastpointe said:
It is a sad event when such a bombastic candidate as Trump is neck and neck with Clinton. Of course it is because she could likely be the worst Democratic candidate since Obama.

300,000 people and this is the best they get

I know many Americans who are considering not voting for either. And that is sad

Who should the candidates be? It takes money. It takes power. It takes being on the inside. Though of course Obama showed that you didnt have to be totally on the inside, just have a nice way with words. " yes we can!" Do what? No one seemed to ask him and eight years later, things are worse not better in the USA

I hate all the talk od their election but its inevitable as we are so tied to them. I am about to spend a buisiness trip with 90 americans and my hubby has laid down the rules. "Do not talk politics, ever". I will try
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It is all corrupt to point out down to earth theology ... a mire thing ...
 
monk said:
In principle or in deed?

It is much easier to fight for principles than to live up to them and it takes a far braver person to stand up for what is right and spit in the face of authority than it does to blindly follow orders due to fear of the consequences. - Max Igan

@ChemGal ... back to 'Trumps'

I 'feel' that the 'Trumps' of the world represent the money system - 'the head of the snake' so to speak.

'Cutting off the head of 'Trumps' snake to let the rest of it whither and die' does not require violence, guns, banners, slogans, or group think.

'Cutting off the head of the 'Trumps' snake does require a united act of global non compliance.

Non compliance for 'Trumps' things in conflict with the directives out lined in the universal declaration of human rights would be a good start.

Simply stop giving people represented by the 'Trumps' of the world the power to control you.

Understand that the only power the 'Trumps' have is the power the people themselves grant to them.

Understand that the 'Trumps' injustice towards one is injustice towards all.

There should be no grey area in your mind in regard to that about the 'Trumps'.

There truly are deep dark forces at work controlling things in the 'Trumps' system through the manipulation of the money system.

That manipulation is how 'Trumps' global control is maintained and it is that system that must first be addressed

Its all very well for us to all talk about this 'Trumps' stuff and to continue learning and gathering more information about it ...

but the time for merely gathering information about the 'Trumps' is now passed.

What is needed now is action, and it is needed very quickly because the 'Trumps' prison door is swinging shut.

Everyone needs to stop going along with the 'Trumps' of the world.

Its time to cut the head off the snake. - that is how I 'feel' about the 'Trumps'.

*substitute Clintons, Obamas or Trudeaus for Trumps without losing any context.
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I agree that abiding by the Universal Declaration of human rights is a good place to start. But you are the one who was saying the UN is bad. And Trump's media cabal propagates UN conspiracies.

The UN is a good idea and I don't disagree with them. Not because I have to, but because I legitimately do think they're important.

And Trump and Clinton and Obama and Trudeau are not the same person with the same motivations. I reject that premise.
 
All people every where have the same human rights which no one can take away.

This is the basis of freedom justice and peace in the world.

Enough Said. We do not need the UN to adopt this or break it down into a gazillian interpretations and enforce compliance.
 
UN is like a dark unity theory as collapsed light? Thus central consideration is required ... a washout or la' rinse of Arabia ...
 
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