TRUMP - Some people think......... How do you feel?

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Does left vs. rites cause total chaos ... thus living insanity?

There are those that state this is a forensic condition ... thus vert Ego's ...
 
Luce NDs said:
Tell me of any group wishing control that doesn't wish the opposition dead!
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I don't think most politicians in modern Western democracies wish ill on their opponents to that degree. Maybe a crippling injury or bad case of the flu, but not dead. :D Or are you talking figuratively (dead = out of power and preferably out of politics)?
 
Mendalla said:
I don't think most politicians in modern Western democracies wish ill on their opponents to that degree. Maybe a crippling injury or bad case of the flu, but not dead. :D Or are you talking figuratively (dead = out of power and preferably out of politics)?
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In ancient words dead is equivalent to wise ...

Would politicians like opponents to be wise to their schemes, plans and sacred conspiracies? Consider what Eire gate ... and other lochs ... bag elles, etc. ... bred with oles ...
 
Americans call Republicans right and Democrats left. But if you look at the policies of the two parties, especially over the last 20 years, both are identical. As well, both are financed by billionaires and, very often, the same billionaires for both. Mussolini could be called a right winger. So, despite his nationalist socialist label, was Hitler. Or one could argue about it. For all practical purposes, the words right and left mean nothing politically.
 
Pr. Jae said:
Trump is a mainline Christian, a Presbyterian. His favorite book of the Bible is 2 Corinthians.
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I understand you're in troll mode, but if you can try to be honest for a moment, why do you think so many Evangelicals are supporting a man who probably doesn't even believe?
 
chansen said:
I understand you're in troll mode, but if you can try to be honest for a moment, why do you think so many Evangelicals are supporting a man who probably doesn't even believe?
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Some honestly think Trump is a Christian. Some support him because the Republican party has long been held as being the party most responsive to conservative social concerns. Some are ABH because of her views on things like abortion and LGBT rights.

I think there's something else going on though too. Christianity in America is dieing, and when Trump says he's going to "make America great again!" that sparks something in the hearts of Evangelicals who associate with the past greatness of America a history where the church was strong and dominant in society.
 
Add in that evangelicals dont like Democrats because of things like same sex marriage, abortion rights,

They feel ,i am sure ,that their way of life has disappeared

Obama , who they didnt vote for or like, at least was against same sex marriage when he got elected eight years ago.

And now they see what has happened when he changed his mind

Way back eight years ago, when Obama was against same sex marriage, so were the religious black of California who voted down proposition 8

Sometimes a cultural shift happens so fast in a society that huge numbers feel left out.

I suspect that many uneducated white men who want trump feel that society and its changes has sped by them too
 
Graeme Decarie said:
Americans call Republicans right and Democrats left. But if you look at the policies of the two parties, especially over the last 20 years, both are identical. As well, both are financed by billionaires and, very often, the same billionaires for both. Mussolini could be called a right winger. So, despite his nationalist socialist label, was Hitler. Or one could argue about it. For all practical purposes, the words right and left mean nothing politically.
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Indeed; when one looks at the concept of Hitler being right, could we be more wrong ... than if to suspect a Social Democratic bunch could be oppressively dangerous when getting power ... and thus the corrupt nature of our world in how we believe one thing is virtue ... when it appears according to the definition of incarnate ... there must be another side to the night mare ... dark hoers theology? Wouldn't Gabriel have a matching hoers? Toute la ... as in eL Ci'd ... or light dreams in Levant territory! squeezed between ouist and where man ghoe^st wholly sum ... as aggregated ... sort of like integrated with the physical in the fall ... life is a particular intermediate stage where all is chaos of one type or another?

Tis odd ... particular states ...
 
Lastpointe said:
Add in that evangelicals dont like Democrats because of things like same sex marriage, abortion rights,

They feel ,i am sure ,that their way of life has disappeared

Obama , who they didnt vote for or like, at least was against same sex marriage when he got elected eight years ago.

And now they see what has happened when he changed his mind

Way back eight years ago, when Obama was against same sex marriage, so were the religious black of California who voted down proposition 8

Sometimes a cultural shift happens so fast in a society that huge numbers feel left out.

I suspect that many uneducated white men who want trump feel that society and its changes has sped by them too
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If it "sped by them" did they miss the boat point or great horizons that are out there beyond them? That would annoy even the un Stonehenge 'd! If the "d" is silent that would allow a hedge monis occurring from Stonehenge as a spot of earthy chaos where people go to deposit thoughts in the paradigm! Later it might even become a gorse ... attracting orse in wells to a hard puzzle ... Time Machinations! Let the paddling begin ... thus pedantry ... or so it was taught ... to not think about it just doo ... and we are fallen chits out of a greater soul ... spatial place in time ... verily obscure as adept in fashion of appearing stunned!

SOB eit ...
 
Pr. Jae said:
Some honestly think Trump is a Christian. Some support him because the Republican party has long been held as being the party most responsive to conservative social concerns. Some are ABH because of her views on things like abortion and LGBT rights.

I think there's something else going on though too. Christianity in America is dieing, and when Trump says he's going to "make America great again!" that sparks something in the hearts of Evangelicals who associate with the past greatness of America a history where the church was strong and dominant in society.
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Kudos to you (and the Lastpointe, who posted after.) I think you've both hit the mail on the head. The word, mind you, that neither of you has used explicitly is "fear." Rapid change can easily make people fearful. When those who have possessed power and influence see themselves rapidly losing the power and influence they have long possessed, it makes them fearful.

The problem with fear is that potentially it can manifest itself in very ugly ways.
 
revsdd said:
Kudos to you (and the Lastpointe, who posted after.) I think you've both hit the mail on the head. The word, mind you, that neither of you has used explicitly is "fear." Rapid change can easily make people fearful. When those who have possessed power and influence see themselves rapidly losing the power and influence they have long possessed, it makes them fearful.

The problem with fear is that potentially it can manifest itself in very ugly ways.
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Thus the horizontal in the MB construct of leader and follower ... one mad the other terrified ... opening up the potential of the vertical line of Joie and Curios ditty's ... but then we're back into word as something that people would sooner not know as an interim spot to be in ... practically unknown if you do? All this in lack of listening ... a dimension of absence of something wee Ired ... thus Saul as Sole departure ... some claim this to be salukis ... solace ! The phonetics are often in Eire ... especially at night when the physical form looses grip ...

Preserve Meis ... let my optics initiate ...
 
revsdd said:
Kudos to you (and the Lastpointe, who posted after.) I think you've both hit the mail on the head. The word, mind you, that neither of you has used explicitly is "fear." Rapid change can easily make people fearful. When those who have possessed power and influence see themselves rapidly losing the power and influence they have long possessed, it makes them fearful.

The problem with fear is that potentially it can manifest itself in very ugly ways.
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Yes Steven, you're right, the evangelicals are supporting Trump because they are afraid. And he, who's smarter than a lot of people give him credit for, probably knows that the more he can drum up their fear, the more they'll get behind him.
 
Fear, anger and terrorism ... the way to tear apart the present state and start from the Runes ... sort of the story about Je Roue's a' Lem ... heart land of international meddling?
 
Evangelicals are conformist more than Christian. And I don't know of any period when the church was dominant in U.S. history. Was it during the revolution? During the slaughter of native peoples? the invasion of Mexico? the invasions of Cuba and Central America? The slaughter in The Phillipines? The civil war when southern churches supported slavery? and Northern ones separated Blacks? Was it when Truman dropped nuclear bombs on Japan (destroying the great Christian cathedral in Nagasaki?
I don't know of any period in American history when the churches have not conformed to the standards of a very materialistic society.
 
Pr. Jae said:
Yes Steven, you're right, the evangelicals are supporting Trump because they are afraid. And he, who's smarter than a lot of people give him credit for, probably knows that the more he can drum up their fear, the more they'll get behind him.
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Jae, I may be appalled by Trump, but I've never said he wasn't smart. The fact is that he ran a very good campaign during the Republican primaries. He seemed to understand that his basic message (whether he believes everything he says or not - and I have my doubts) could resonate with a lot of disaffected Republicans and Independents - and he got enough on board to win the nomination. What he doesn't seem (yet at least) to grasp is that the message that reached out to the disaffected isn't going to resonate with most Democrats or the remaining Independents.

A classic example is the "Obama and Clinton founded ISIS" nonsense that's been going on recently. It gets him cheers at his rallies, but it really won't gain him votes from those he now has to appeal to if he's to have any hope of winning - and unless he can figure out a way to get at least a portion of them onside without losing that disaffected vote, then he's toast.
 
revsdd said:
Jae, I may be appalled by Trump, but I've never said he wasn't smart. The fact is that he ran a very good campaign during the Republican primaries. He seemed to understand that his basic message (whether he believes everything he says or not - and I have my doubts) could resonate with a lot of disaffected Republicans and Independents - and he got enough on board to win the nomination. What he doesn't seem (yet at least) to grasp is that the message that reached out to the disaffected isn't going to resonate with most Democrats or the remaining Independents.
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Hmm... I actually wasn't even thinking of you as one of the people who don't give Trump enough credit for being intelligent. Sorry if my words suggested otherwise.

revsdd said:
A classic example is the "Obama and Clinton founded ISIS" nonsense that's been going on recently. It gets him cheers at his rallies, but it really won't gain him votes from those he now has to appeal to if he's to have any hope of winning - and unless he can figure out a way to get at least a portion of them onside without losing that disaffected vote, then he's toast.
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What a debacle that was. First he repeatedly insists that he's serious, then he changes his tune and claims he was just being sarcastic.
 
well, Trump is intelligent. But that doesn't compensate for being mentally disturbed. Hillary is intelligent. But that doesn't compensate for her being avaricious, corrupt and murderous.
Your problem, JAE, is that you think in terms of conservative equals good, liberals equals bad. And you think that Trump is a conservative and clinton a liberals. That's all untrue.
Learn what words mean.
What would Trump to improve conditions in the United States? From what I've read - nothing. Ditto for Clinton.
1. Trump is not a conservative. 2. Clinton not a liberal. 3. You don't understand the meaning of either word. But you're using those words to make a judgement. Instead of evidence, you are just basing your judgement on a word you don't understand.
It's very common.
 
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