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Omg, that's how he decided who to pick?
Graeme Decarie
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The deeper problem is a fundamental change in the world. This is as big as the decline of aristocracies, and the seeming rise of democracies. We are now facing a new age under the power of an aristocracy of wealth. Like the old ones, they are commonly by inheritance and quite ruthless and arrogant - and that's bad news for most of the world. And it's being brought in with an age of warfare as the American wealthy try to control all the wealth of all the world. That's why Afghanistan and Vietnam and Guatemala and Panama and Iraq and Libya and Syria were invaded. That's why the U.S. reacted so violently to Cuba - and still does over fifty years later.
Increasingly, the wars are being fought by mercenaries and by nations that cling to the American coattails. (like Britain and France and Germany and Canada. That's because the U.S. public gets very nervous at casualties. And that's why the U.S. has alternately been fighting ISIS but also using it to fight Syria.
What we're watching is a betrayal of everything we were told we were fighting for in World War Two.
It's change that's unChristian and anti-Christian. But don't expect the churches to notice. They never have in the past.
We are returning to the mass murder, looting, exploitation, class privilege of the British empre at its worse. And the churches never noticed that, either. Americans are already suffering under it just as the ordinary British suffered in the days of British empire.
Clinton, Trump, Obama, Bush, Clinton again, and the earlier Bush .....they're all interchangeable.
Increasingly, the wars are being fought by mercenaries and by nations that cling to the American coattails. (like Britain and France and Germany and Canada. That's because the U.S. public gets very nervous at casualties. And that's why the U.S. has alternately been fighting ISIS but also using it to fight Syria.
What we're watching is a betrayal of everything we were told we were fighting for in World War Two.
It's change that's unChristian and anti-Christian. But don't expect the churches to notice. They never have in the past.
We are returning to the mass murder, looting, exploitation, class privilege of the British empre at its worse. And the churches never noticed that, either. Americans are already suffering under it just as the ordinary British suffered in the days of British empire.
Clinton, Trump, Obama, Bush, Clinton again, and the earlier Bush .....they're all interchangeable.
Graeme Decarie
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I should add that I could take the interchangeable presidents all the way back to John F. Kennedy who first sent troops to Vietnam. Funny how nobody ever asked why he did that.
Trump is using his 1st amendment right to say whatever he wants, that gets him press coverage...then using that same right to say that the media lies by reporting it. And then threatening the press credentials of anyone who reports him in any critical way. It's scary.
Graeme Decarie
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The media are owned by the same billionaires who want Clinton elected. They are the ones who have lied to us for a century and more. Save your tears of sadness. And most of the journalists who work for them are as lying as their bosses are. If they told the truth, most of them wouldn't have jobs.
Everybody in journalism knows that. That's why you're seeing almost nothing about Clinton, but lots and lots of derogatory coverage of Trump. That way, Clinton can hold on to her not very impressive base, and Trump's base can be demolished. Trump is going to destroy himself, with the help of the news media.
This is quite possibly the most expensive election in world history - and the bulk of the money is with Clinton. She and hubby could well become billionaires, with the money neatly tucked in 'trust' funds.
And the U.S. will go on being ruled by the Rothschilds and the Koch brothers.
No matter who wins, this election is a disaster - and I think the chances of civil disorder are very high.
And, if there isn't civil disorder, there will probably be World War Three.
And Justin will smile, and do what the winner tells him to do.
And people will say, "Doesn't he have a nice smile?"
Everybody in journalism knows that. That's why you're seeing almost nothing about Clinton, but lots and lots of derogatory coverage of Trump. That way, Clinton can hold on to her not very impressive base, and Trump's base can be demolished. Trump is going to destroy himself, with the help of the news media.
This is quite possibly the most expensive election in world history - and the bulk of the money is with Clinton. She and hubby could well become billionaires, with the money neatly tucked in 'trust' funds.
And the U.S. will go on being ruled by the Rothschilds and the Koch brothers.
No matter who wins, this election is a disaster - and I think the chances of civil disorder are very high.
And, if there isn't civil disorder, there will probably be World War Three.
And Justin will smile, and do what the winner tells him to do.
And people will say, "Doesn't he have a nice smile?"
There's lots about Clinton...but Trump's statements are so over the top (I mean it's hard to ignore them and he knows it - and people shouldn't ignore it), he wants to steal the attention and then make the whole kerfuffle about him, and then turn around and blame the media for it. He's playing a con game. He knows how to play the media. And it's dangerous because it's spreading. Yes, the media likes to present things that will pick up sales and ratings...he knows it. He's been perfecting the craft for years. He gets free coverage because of his stunts that get international attention and his inflammatory comments get picked up and used. Hillary's scandals actually pale in comparison. This guy's trying to take over everything and throw it into complete chaos, and mess with people's heads. He even said he loves watching the "pathetic pundits" trying to figure him out when they can't. That says it all. And what kind of leader wants to baffle the people he's supposed to represent about his intentions - and proclaim it proudly? He's enjoying it. He's a high profile mega-troll. It's a win-win for him and his sense of grandiosity even if he loses because he's feeling powerful throwing everything, including perceptions and trust, into chaos. This is psychological not political. It's pointless analyzing it from a political point of view. Clinton is political - so they are playing two different 'games' and he's enjoying it.
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Graeme Decarie
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You have to understand the news media. Almost all media in the whole world are propaganda agencies. They are not giving coverage to Trump because he is more 'colorful'. They are doing it to damage him. They couldn't care less about how silly he is. His fault is that he's less warlike than Clinton is.
Clinton is being political - corrupt political. She has been an played a major role in every war the US has fought in the last 8 years. She has done it because the wars were fought for American big business. She has played a major role in at least a million deaths.
She has also been a leading member of a government which has shuffled money to the military while ignore the worsening situation of the poor and homeless.
Clinton has no political philosophy except for two points _ 1.get a majority 2. serve the very wealthy.
It's a different world, Kimmio.
Clinton is being political - corrupt political. She has been an played a major role in every war the US has fought in the last 8 years. She has done it because the wars were fought for American big business. She has played a major role in at least a million deaths.
She has also been a leading member of a government which has shuffled money to the military while ignore the worsening situation of the poor and homeless.
Clinton has no political philosophy except for two points _ 1.get a majority 2. serve the very wealthy.
It's a different world, Kimmio.
I believe Trump understands the media better than any of us. And he's using it to full advantage. I don't believe he is less warlike than Clinton, @Graeme Decarie - he just hasn't held that much power before - he will wage war on anyone who criticizes him. War on the media, war on who knows who else - war on freedom of speech - maybe war on anyone that doesn't like his terms. He's reported to hold grudges for cajoles and slights for a very long time (a malignant narcissist trait). Nevermind legitimate critique. Whereas, Clinton lets it roll off her back. She may have her own issues, and ego, but she does not seek to make huge chaos for millions of people, out of her personal grudges. You and I disagree on who's more dangerous.
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Graeme Decarie
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Clinton does not make chaos for millions? She is a mass murderer on the scale of Bush and Obama. She was directly involved in the creation of tens of millions of refugees. What does she have to do get your disapproval?
In her eight years in the cabinet, she has shown not the slightest interest in doing anything about poverty or hunger in the U.S. In those years, she has made almost $200,000,000 from billionaires for giving short speeches.
What does she have to do to meet with your disapproval?
Because of the Hillary Clintons in American political life, we have watched a tremendous rise in poverty, a racist situation due to explode, non-stop wars going to back to the 1950s, nobody knows how many millions killed or maimed or orphaned in wars fought to make billionaires richer. And Hillary herself was a major figure in this.
Yes, Trump is a loud-mouthed egomaniac. Yes, he makes silly statements. Yes, he would be a disastrous president. So would Hillary.
The world we knew - or thought we knew - no longer exists. The democracy (or delusion of it) that we believed in is gone. Both Trump and Clinton are so dangeroous, so characteristic of a society in corruption and decay, it makes not the slightest difference which is more dangerous.
In her eight years in the cabinet, she has shown not the slightest interest in doing anything about poverty or hunger in the U.S. In those years, she has made almost $200,000,000 from billionaires for giving short speeches.
What does she have to do to meet with your disapproval?
Because of the Hillary Clintons in American political life, we have watched a tremendous rise in poverty, a racist situation due to explode, non-stop wars going to back to the 1950s, nobody knows how many millions killed or maimed or orphaned in wars fought to make billionaires richer. And Hillary herself was a major figure in this.
Yes, Trump is a loud-mouthed egomaniac. Yes, he makes silly statements. Yes, he would be a disastrous president. So would Hillary.
The world we knew - or thought we knew - no longer exists. The democracy (or delusion of it) that we believed in is gone. Both Trump and Clinton are so dangeroous, so characteristic of a society in corruption and decay, it makes not the slightest difference which is more dangerous.
The racist situation brewing in the U.S. has been fuelled with the birther movement in the US, spawned by the Tea Party and encouraged by Trump himself. Some of whom held those false beliefs were in government positions. For 8 years, Obama had to waste his time defending himself from a stupid distracting claim to discredit him (and it worked to an extent to colour peoples' perceptions - totally unacceptable way to treat a sitting president, with veiled racist attacks - when were people going after Cruz - who was actually born in another country? ) - as if he didn't have better things to do - all because he's black and a lot of people just couldn't handle that. So, because Obama's black, the racists can say it's his fault that he brought out the racist haters and reaction to them. And GW Bush put them into how much debt before Obama took office? How is that the Clinton's fault? Wasn't this whole mess in the ME, started by George Bush senior, and just continued on? It's just that nobody's been able to get untangled from the growing quagmire there. Their ideas didn't work. They left power vacuums there. And things got worse. Aren't the military advisors on the ground, responsible, too, since the president is not a trained military strategist per say?...and Republican congress stalling every good effort Obama tried to make?
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They're still doing it, congress They've gone way past the date, months, to bring on a new SC judge Obama appointed - stalling him because it was Obama's choice. They try to stick it to him and wear him down on everything, instead of any cooperation. Governing the U.S. Is not a one person show. Trump would like it to be, and that makes him even scarier than what they have now, or four years of the same with Clinton.
Graeme Decarie
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1. Racism in the U.S. didn't begin with because of Trump. It's been there for centuries - a whole range of racisms against anybody who isn't white, English-speaking, and constantly holding his hand over his heart. It's not the election that's made it worse. It's been massive killing by police, poverty for all inferior races......
2. Obama followed Bush's policies completely - even to increasing the debt to give huge contracts to a corrupt defence industry.
3. That corrupt defence industry is one of Hillary's major backers and financiers.
4. nobody has tried to get out of the mess that is the ME. Nothing forced Obama to bomb Libya or to finance and equip a 'rebellion' in Syria. Nobody forced him to drone-bomb a whole lot of countries. Nobody twisted him hard to supply cluster bombs to be dropped on Yemen. Nobody demanded he use the navy to help starve the people of Yemen to death.
5. And sweet little Clinton who never hurt a fly was with him every step of the way. Unlike Trump, she is not an egomania. But she is one of the most evil, vicious and corrupt people in this evil, vicious and corrupt world.
Incidentally, the middle east mess did NOT begin Bush Sr. - though he, too, was certainly a mass murderer.
But the ME mess began with people like Lawrence of Arabia, followed by the nations of Britain, France, and the U.S. And guess why.
Because the oil billionaires of those countries wanted it all. They've been killing, starving and abusing Arabs for a century. Clinton is just the latest of a long line of murderers and thieves. (The oil industry is backing her, too.)
2. Obama followed Bush's policies completely - even to increasing the debt to give huge contracts to a corrupt defence industry.
3. That corrupt defence industry is one of Hillary's major backers and financiers.
4. nobody has tried to get out of the mess that is the ME. Nothing forced Obama to bomb Libya or to finance and equip a 'rebellion' in Syria. Nobody forced him to drone-bomb a whole lot of countries. Nobody twisted him hard to supply cluster bombs to be dropped on Yemen. Nobody demanded he use the navy to help starve the people of Yemen to death.
5. And sweet little Clinton who never hurt a fly was with him every step of the way. Unlike Trump, she is not an egomania. But she is one of the most evil, vicious and corrupt people in this evil, vicious and corrupt world.
Incidentally, the middle east mess did NOT begin Bush Sr. - though he, too, was certainly a mass murderer.
But the ME mess began with people like Lawrence of Arabia, followed by the nations of Britain, France, and the U.S. And guess why.
Because the oil billionaires of those countries wanted it all. They've been killing, starving and abusing Arabs for a century. Clinton is just the latest of a long line of murderers and thieves. (The oil industry is backing her, too.)
Graeme Decarie
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Kimmio, Congresses that are a majority of one party and that oppose the president's party always block the president. Both sides have been doing it for almost 250 years. I dislike both parties. And Obama as been Bush. He's just as murderous and just as bought by the oil industry as Bush was. Both parties have a vicious record. The Republicans are just crazier.
What should Obama have done about Syria? Assad is not a peace loving dove. Putin sides with him while he's murdered countless of his own people. The U.S. facilitated troops on the ground from the region, some of them went rogue as I understand it - and, one thing and another, events and violence morphing, eventually this is where the world's at. It sucks. I agree it's a catastrophe - many things went wrong and now there's a mass exodus of refugees- and the rise of ISIL, but I don't think that was intended or foreseen - he just didn't want to put US troops on the ground there after so many years of the public being war weary, as I recall.
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My point Graeme is that Trump is more likely to start conflicts and limit freedom of speech over personal tantrums (Hillary does not - and Trump has daily tantrums whenever he's being criticized - does things ban Washington Post and NY Times in reaction. He's petty - that alone makes him far more worrisome). And then he'll rile up his brain washed masses to side with his tantrums. Just read the Twitter comments of his supporters - they're pissed off for real reasons in some cases because of the economy but he's misleading them - he will not help them - he has a record of ripping people off, including his employees. Several of his Twitter fans who support him - his "base" it seems, have grade school bully mentalities and he's enabling them (while referencing the 2nd Amendment.) Then there are the blatant racists he's given a platform to. He will encourage that but try to muzzle the press from reporting or criticizing his dangerous antics. This aspect of his character makes him more dangerous than Clinton. And particularly domestically, he's dangerous (which would affect us if he is elected) - internationally he hasn't got a clue about world affairs but would probably handle himself the same, inflammatory, way... And he's more likely to be reckless with the economy just like his own businesses.
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