Considering the dark situation we live in ... is Jesus as subtle light ... beyond us?
Could explain the illumination bi OBI's ... light at the end of the tunnel?
TRUMP - Some people think......... How do you feel?
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Considering the dark situation we live in ... is Jesus as subtle light ... beyond us?
Could explain the illumination bi OBI's ... light at the end of the tunnel?
Graeme Decarie
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Very roughly and briefly, the word conservative refers to a society which is marked by a willingness to care for each other. It is a very Christian concept - and has no relation to attitudes to money or old-fashioned ways. Karl Max's concept of communism was quite conservative.
Liberalism, again very roughly, refers to the maximum freedom from obligation to others. (Among Christians, that concept is adopted by a great many fundamenalists whose idea of Christianity is that it will save them from hell, and damn everybody else.)
So - the Conservative party in Canada is actually quite Liberal. So is the Liberal party.
In real life, it's best to look for a mixture of liberalism and conservatism - to have freedom, but to blend it with a sense of obligation to all. Probably the closest thing to that is socialism, as in the old CCF.
(Actually, John A. Macdonald never called his party conservative. He called it Liberal-Conservative. But that didn't mean anything because it was just a front for control by big money.)
Commonly, people will adopt those words without understanding what they mean - and they will have very different ideas of the meanings. So they make political decisions based on words that they don't undertand - and may mean something different to each person.
And so, Jae likes Trump because Trump is what he thinks is a conservative. He dislikes Clinton because he thinks she's a liberal. In fact, there's no great difference between the two of them - and both come close to the meaning of liberal - if in a very corrupt way.
Liberalism, again very roughly, refers to the maximum freedom from obligation to others. (Among Christians, that concept is adopted by a great many fundamenalists whose idea of Christianity is that it will save them from hell, and damn everybody else.)
So - the Conservative party in Canada is actually quite Liberal. So is the Liberal party.
In real life, it's best to look for a mixture of liberalism and conservatism - to have freedom, but to blend it with a sense of obligation to all. Probably the closest thing to that is socialism, as in the old CCF.
(Actually, John A. Macdonald never called his party conservative. He called it Liberal-Conservative. But that didn't mean anything because it was just a front for control by big money.)
Commonly, people will adopt those words without understanding what they mean - and they will have very different ideas of the meanings. So they make political decisions based on words that they don't undertand - and may mean something different to each person.
And so, Jae likes Trump because Trump is what he thinks is a conservative. He dislikes Clinton because he thinks she's a liberal. In fact, there's no great difference between the two of them - and both come close to the meaning of liberal - if in a very corrupt way.
- I don't think Trump is conservative. I don't think the tea party is conservative. Trump strikes me as authoritarian but not necessarily conservative.
- I don't think the way the NRA represents the second amendment is conservative. (Very liberally in a Wild West sort of way) . It's bizarre.
Graeme Decarie
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Kimmio - I certainly have no problem with your Britannica definitions. They're better than mine because they go into much more detail.
Trump is Liberal - he wants freedom (for the rich) from government. But, similarly, the NRA is Liberal. It stresses the rights of the individual over the rights of the government and the society as a whole. The connection with the wild west is rather silly because the west wasn't all that wild. The myth of the west is that the individual with his gun made his own rules, not the society as a whole.
Actually the wild west wasn't like that, anyway. People did not go around getting into gunfights. Nor was there ever such a thing as the formal, quick draw duel. The quick draw duel was invented by Hollywood. Perhaps the first quick draw movie hero, about 1919, was a French-Canadian from Quebec, the town of Sainte-Hyacinthe. He became a symbol of the American west and all its myths. To explain his French accent, he told people his father was a French Canadian trapper in Arizona, and some place like that.
And shooting with two guns at the same time would have been crazy. You can't hit anything that way. Two guns were useful only in war. Each six-shooter really had safe capacity of only five shots, and it took a while to reload. So the second gun was there to sip the reloading.
In any case, cowboys often carried no revolver at all, because a rifle made far, far more sense. It's hard to hit anything with a handgun.
Gee. I think I went way off the point.
Trump is Liberal - he wants freedom (for the rich) from government. But, similarly, the NRA is Liberal. It stresses the rights of the individual over the rights of the government and the society as a whole. The connection with the wild west is rather silly because the west wasn't all that wild. The myth of the west is that the individual with his gun made his own rules, not the society as a whole.
Actually the wild west wasn't like that, anyway. People did not go around getting into gunfights. Nor was there ever such a thing as the formal, quick draw duel. The quick draw duel was invented by Hollywood. Perhaps the first quick draw movie hero, about 1919, was a French-Canadian from Quebec, the town of Sainte-Hyacinthe. He became a symbol of the American west and all its myths. To explain his French accent, he told people his father was a French Canadian trapper in Arizona, and some place like that.
And shooting with two guns at the same time would have been crazy. You can't hit anything that way. Two guns were useful only in war. Each six-shooter really had safe capacity of only five shots, and it took a while to reload. So the second gun was there to sip the reloading.
In any case, cowboys often carried no revolver at all, because a rifle made far, far more sense. It's hard to hit anything with a handgun.
Gee. I think I went way off the point.
When I say Wild West I am thinking of the Hollywood version. Charleton Heston was an NRA spokesperson, afterall. And Clint Eastwood is a famous Republican. 
...and Ronald Reagan, the Western movie actor president.
...and Ronald Reagan, the Western movie actor president.
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When I say Wild West I am thinking of the Hollywood version. Charleton Heston was an NRA spokesperson, afterall. And Clint Eastwood is a famous Republican.
Thus the aD Li Bra (light binding effect) and inhumane nature ...
Thought nor feelings are connected and thus in an economic conundrum ...
Financial consultants say Fu Que Du ...
And get away with it as Black Swan Theory about the improbability of extreme things ...
Like rich people with wisdom* ... that differs from individualized intellect ...
Where the latter cannot be gathered?
* Biblically en Dowd with the concept of rich man possessing soul (excess monis causes him to Luce IT) ! Under grammatical roué's ... you are not allowed to saw that in the gamma life ... must be mythicized and out of Eire! Thus solutions beyond the well-contained rift!
I (just now) read a little bit about Black Swan theory. Black Swans can be positive events, too! Anything's possible.
And apparently Black Swans can be found in random Google searches containing the 3 words "positive black swans" and, even quite ironic...(Luce are you an oracle?)
http://www.jdmoyer.com/2010/05/20/exposing-yourself-to-positive-black-swans/
http://www.jdmoyer.com/2010/05/20/exposing-yourself-to-positive-black-swans/
Here I was thinking I was going off on a tangent with Luce about black swans in the Trump thread. Positive black swan: it turned out to be relevant to Trump anyway...even though I could not have predicted that (the article is from 2010 and my search words did not contain the word "trump"). Cool.
Although, regarding Trump... Trump's current behaviour is actually explainable by his past behaviour. It's not really a black swan event. He's been a media manipulator (who's now manipulating people into believing the media is dishonest whenever critical of him - when he has manipulated the media into presenting false stories about himself before - in effect, encouraging dishonest media - and now is turning every story that criticises his behaviour, as dishonest. So the media can be dishonest only as long as he looks good..) Con job and hypcrisy is sort of different from a random black swan event. What a brilliant con he is. Not that it's a good thing. Just an observation.
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On Trump's faith...
"At a campaign event in Iowa, Trump shocked the audience by saying that he had never asked God for forgiveness. All his other disturbing statements—his attacks on every vulnerable group—are made intelligible by this one. The self-sufficient faith Trump absorbed from Peale has no place for human weakness. Human frailty, dependency, and sinfulness cannot be acknowledged; they must be overcome. This opens up the possibility of great cruelty toward those who cannot wish themselves into being winners. A man who need not ask forgiveness need never forgive others. He does not realize his own weakness, and so he mocks and reviles every sign of weakness in his fellow men."
Source: https://www.firstthings.com/article/2016/08/donald-trump-man-of-faith
"At a campaign event in Iowa, Trump shocked the audience by saying that he had never asked God for forgiveness. All his other disturbing statements—his attacks on every vulnerable group—are made intelligible by this one. The self-sufficient faith Trump absorbed from Peale has no place for human weakness. Human frailty, dependency, and sinfulness cannot be acknowledged; they must be overcome. This opens up the possibility of great cruelty toward those who cannot wish themselves into being winners. A man who need not ask forgiveness need never forgive others. He does not realize his own weakness, and so he mocks and reviles every sign of weakness in his fellow men."
Source: https://www.firstthings.com/article/2016/08/donald-trump-man-of-faith
The GOP should fire him sooner rather than later, before he pulls more surprises. That would be the smart thing to do.
Is it ironic that his name is Trump, and his strategy is like a high stakes card game, or what? The GOP needs to trump Trump, by dumping Trump. It's the only way. Otherwise, he will find a way to turn this into a win for himself (if he loses the election or not) and somebody(s) going to get screwed over, regardless.
As long as you don't believe it improbable ... consider Sa' Ray's wishes with the relationship concerning a' brae Ham ... a dark pig 've a thing in hysterical cognizance ...
Pig's in the brae are often gathered into the fold ... a spatial confinement ... like a wrinkle!
I orate on what some believe to be impossible probabilities ... or beyond the physical paradigm!
There's obviously Moor to wit than mortal comprehension ... tis limited with obvious obtuse nature thrown in by poles and polity!
Tis like living beyond physical, or being part of an eternal imagination of an ide-alism intent on imposing a fo' QED state on all humanity which would rather not know ... thus that sense of detachment during sec tool activities ... the outside probing of sensations?
If you peek into the abstract don't tell ... basic real people don't like you to do that ... one must have a ratio of obfusion (obtuse cad) in their nature as an effusion ... like tea at the right hour!
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chansen
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He is on course to lose by a large margin. The added danger is that he drags down the other Republicans up for re-election in the Senate. This could be a nightmare for the GOP. If they lose the Presidency and the Senate by a large margin, it should cause them to reinvent themselves, which is what they need. It probably won't, but it could.
Graeme Decarie
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He will, almost surely, lose. But that will mean a win by a woman who is almost as distrusted as he is. That could leave the U.S. in very unstable condition.
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