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GordW said:
At teh same time, I suspect a degree of narcissism is needed to run for an office such as POTUS
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Well yeah
Imagine your stereotypical Canadian as POTUS?
Nothing would get done...everyone would fall asleep or zone out during all the sorries and pardon mes and double double jokes...

EDIT: narcicissim is so complicated
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blo.../youre-the-narcissist-no-youre-the-narcissist
If yer a Freudian yall see things differently than if yall Jung Like an Igloo

Also be ware of calling someone these things unless you are a professional :3
 
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Inannawhimsey said:
Well yeah
Imagine your stereotypical Canadian as POTUS?
Nothing would get done...everyone would fall asleep or zone out during all the sorries and pardon mes and double double jokes...
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The Americans have more exciting options. They can choose Donald Trump who's charismatic, dynamic and enthusiastic, or they can choose Hillary Clinton who doesn't say mean things.
 
Pr. Jae said:
The Americans have more exciting options. They can choose Donald Trump who's charismatic, dynamic and enthusiastic, or they can choose Hillary Clinton who doesn't say mean things.
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Killary will also if it follows past Dem administrations result in a healthier US economy...
Besides that there are more important options that thise 2 twinks the people who actually run the US...

But yeah
I think Killary can handle it...
I mean her handlers n speechwriters have hit paydirt with turning her opponent into a racist crazy xenophobe Hitler who now has a higher chance to be shot...

In Kanada wr have Danger Bay and Nature of Things
 
Inannawhimsey said:
Well yeah
Imagine your stereotypical Canadian as POTUS?
Nothing would get done...everyone would fall asleep or zone out during all the sorries and pardon mes and double double jokes...

EDIT: narcicissim is so complicated
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blo.../youre-the-narcissist-no-youre-the-narcissist
If yer a Freudian yall see things differently than if yall Jung Like an Igloo

Also be ware of calling someone these things unless you are a professional :3
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Here's a professional...

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/11402754
 
Kimmio said:
Here's a professional...

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/11402754
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Yes
Thats one
And there are others like Dr Drew
And Freud and Jung
Who all have nuance to say
And us having the Dunning Krueger effect...since we arent professionals
And can be making bigoted falsetoreality mistakes because we are ignorant

There is a difference between Narcissism and the actual DSM version and those can get confused...narcissism (the non DSM 4 one) seems like a personality trait that the ordinary public can have...even u and me perhaps...

Herez another expert http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/06/the-mind-of-donald-trump/480771/

So whats really happening with this thread is that we all have these little movies playing in our heads that we think of as the real world and we all use confirmation bias to choose the info thst fits our movies...

And we can get angry when we come across someone who isnt playing the same movie as us

But we can learn to try on hypotheses...to ser how our world changes...

Thus...trump as crazy klown...or trump as master manipulator...and seeing what happens...

And then we can have our fav hypotheses...

So. This thread.

An opportunity to see anotherz pov. See their internal movie.

And to have fun with ones movie.

Save us dead Jew SAVE USSSSSS!
 
Inannawhimsey said:
Yes
Thats one
And there are others like Dr Drew
And Freud and Jung
Who all have nuance to say
And us having the Dunning Krueger effect...since we arent professionals
And can be making bigoted falsetoreality mistakes because we are ignorant

There is a difference between Narcissism and the actual DSM version and those can get confused...narcissism (the non DSM 4 one) seems like a personality trait that the ordinary public can have...even u and me perhaps...

Herez another expert http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/06/the-mind-of-donald-trump/480771/

So whats really happening with this thread is that we all have these little movies playing in our heads that we think of as the real world and we all use confirmation bias to choose the info thst fits our movies...

And we can get angry when we come across someone who isnt playing the same movie as us

But we can learn to try on hypotheses...to ser how our world changes...

Thus...trump as crazy klown...or trump as master manipulator...and seeing what happens...

And then we can have our fav hypotheses...

So. This thread.

An opportunity to see anotherz pov. See their internal movie.

And to have fun with ones movie.

Save us dead Jew SAVE USSSSSS!
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It's one thing to take a selfie now and then. To be self confident and complimentary sometimes, and still be humble enough to realize you're not perfect (and you don't have to be)...It's another to be constantly declaring oneself the best at everything...the best at being the best bestest. Like, Trumps ads counting the minutes the audience applauded his convention speech. Nothing else, just stats about his applause. ??? It's funny but not funny because it appears to be a pathological trait. He lies about what he says when there is video of him saying it...and then finds some way to congratulate himself for it. He boasts about his wealth and status when even that's in question. He's over the top narcissistic. If he were to actually humble himself enough to see a psychiatrist for an assessment, which is unlikely, he'd probably meet the criteria. The question is, is it dangerous? Is his lack of empathy of such a great degree that he's incapable of forgiving a slight? Unable to take scrutiny, which is par for the course in public office? Would he start a war over a tweet? Would he behave like a dictator? How does his character translate, exactly, if he were to be POTUS, rather than celebrity real-estate developer and TV personality? Would he censor the press because they criticize him or his policies? Would he shut down free speech if it's unfavourable to him ... Would he be so self centred that he is totally out of touch with how his words and actions are perceived at home and abroad? Would he be so self centred that he does realize but just doesn't care, has no conscience about the consequences of raising the ire of the populous and making outrageous statements - only about having a following, and thriving off that power and attention?

Or, is it harmless bluster and "jokes"?
 
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He has to be able to have self restraint as POTUS. TV boss and entertainer is quite different.

As long as he's not leader of the western world he can tweet all the nonsense he wants and play the big shot in his business circles and the consequences are (mostly) contained to his own personal affairs - but POTUS is a different story. And he doesn't seem to know that.
 
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Inannawhimsey said:
Bless the American Psychiatric Association

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldwater_rule

Mmm...peace...
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Yes, that's why he hasn't received a formal diagnosis even if it's obvious (which is why it has come up). Just a vague "if a person were to have this, this is how they might behave..." But a few professionals have broken the rule. Can a psychologist diagnose this and are they bound by the same rule?

There are people who've said this assumption about Trump perpetuates mental health stigma (would Trump say that's taking political correctness too far?)... But this is not an every persons' job. Can exceptions be made when it's about one of the most powerful jobs in the world?
 
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chansen said:
What I don't understand is why Trump is not being attacked by the Religious Right for being an atheist?

The guy is clearly no Christian. I have no desire to claim him as an atheist, but I'd have to admit he probably is one. Moreover, if he worships anything, he worships himself. That's exactly the charge many Christians level at atheists in general, and while I disagree, here is a shining example they could point to, and instead they embrace him like one of their own. I really don't understand it.
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Read Erick Erikson's comments...something about (paraphrasing) "Like the Angels in heaven embrace every new believer we must embrace Trump's conversion to conservatism"...that pretty much answers your question (and check out how he views his political ideology lining up with his view of Christianity)...and (I read this a couple of hours ago and the page is quite long and crashes my phone when I scroll too far down - so I don't remember who)... Someone else made a comment about political "conversion" that had a "born again" tone to it, like there was little differentiation between politics and religion...or between party loyalty and religious identity.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/430126/donald-trump-conservatives-oppose-nomination

There's also some critique here from your fellow conservatives @Pr. Jae . Not a liberal site. I had to hold my nose for some of the commentary...but it seems that several people feel Trump is too "liberal" and not a real Republican and that is why they don't support him.
 
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Waterfall said:
Which is why I am curious about Switzerland's direct democracy. Laws are voted on by the people, referendums are talked about and decided by the people.
I have never in my life been asked to participate in a political "poll" other than voting at an election let alone having a vote called with regards to abortion, gun control, foreign affairs, war, etc......
When I read about political stats....who are they asking? Have you been part of any polls? What happens when one candidate agrees with your view on abortion but the same candidate doesn't agree with you on the environment or war? I like the idea of voting on large issues separately to some extent.
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It is the enigma for a population that can't get it together in compromising situations!
 
Graeme Decarie said:
Kimmio, Clinton was a very senior member for 8 years of a government that killed millions of innocent people, created tens of millions of refugees.... She is a person who has accept huge sums of money as gifts from billionaires. Do you really need proof of this?
She has the support of most American news media. The news media are owned by billionaires who use them for propaganda. Do you really need to have that proved to you?
She has been party to some of the most ruthless acts in world history. Do I have to draw pictures?
True, she has not yet dropped nuclear bombs. But she is a member of the government which planted them along the Russian border, an act which suggests she is willing to use them.
She has far the larger campaign fund of the two candidates. She has billions. you don't get that from holding raffles.
She has no social policy that I can determine. She has no economic policy that fits reality.
Government of the U.S. is by billionaires. That's a change we are watching all over the world. In New Brunswick, you can see it up close. With that, we are seeing a massive rise in poverty. And you rarely hear the politicians talking about that.
We have allowed everything that we said we fought for in World War Two to be abandoned. And it is going to get worse.
Trump is relatively harmless. First, he won't be able to get legislation through congress which, itself, is owned by billionaires.
Secondly, if he gets in the way of the billionaires, he'll be murdered. They have happily murdered over five million people (well over, in the last forty years - men, women and children. They have held South America, most of Africa, the middle east, much of Asia in a poverty of chaos to make profits for themselves. They aren't going to balk at shooting a Trump.
Kimmio, you are living in a world that no longer exists, and that ceased to exist a long time ago.
Trump or Clinton?
It couldn't matter less. The rulers of the US - and most of the world - are now people like the Koch brothers who are the biggest oil billionaires in the world - and the ones who spend billions to convince us that climate change isn't happening.
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Considering that there is so much corruption ... how does one escape it without not surviving ... thus martyrs?
 
revsdd said:
I say "YAWN" to conspiracy theories and the websites that support them, which are pointless. Real opinion pieces by anyone on any side of the spectrum are interesting to me, whether I agree or disagree with them.
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I've only noticed you saying "YAWN" to articles and that which you deem to be conspiracy theories with a conservative-bias. When here at WC2 have you ever said "YAWN" to anything coming from the left?
 
Graeme Decarie said:
The problem with direct democracy is that people get their understandings of issues from news media. Almost all private news media are owned by the very wealthy or by a dictatorial state. So almost all are propaganda. honest news media are essential to any sort of democracy. And we have little in the way of honest news media.
The best in the English language world is the Israeli paper, Haaretz. But its coverage is pretty restricted. The Guardian used to be good, but it has declined. Al Jazeera is far, far better than it get credit for. The only decent Canadian news medium is CBC. But it's hampered by government interference. I don't know of a good example in U.S. news media - and that's all of them, including the New York Times.
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What about the virtues of the NB news ... you skip over minor Eire ...
 
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