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Kimmio said:
I don't think that was my point. I don't know how much of what Graeme's saying can be verified, for starters. There are many cogs in the wheel that created circumstances - we don't know. So, I am not taking it as a given that Hillary is directly responsible for all that Graeme suggests.

And @Mrs.Anteater there are legal provisions in the U.S. Constitution called the 25th amendment which would allow for a sitting president to be declared unfit and the VP to take over in case of a a perilous crisis like that. I guess that's another good reason to have a VP.

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-bl...-brush-up-on-the-25th-amendment-if-trump-wins
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One thing that Clinton and Trump both did well (or perhaps it was done for them) was to choose their running mates. Honestly, I'd rather have Pence as President than Trump, and Kaine rather than Clinton.
 
Pr. Jae said:
One thing that Clinton and Trump both did well (or perhaps it was done for them) was to choose their running mates. Honestly, I'd rather have Pence as President than Trump, and Kaine rather than Clinton.
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Jae do you have a lot of druther haves that are not included in the populace ... and thus socially unacceptable by a species directed by success Christianity towards naïveté? Does that incarnate as stupid ... if you back off and observe ?

The stuff that people, as flawed, shouldn't rushin Tu ... but do repeatedly and then claim there are no cycles!
 
Graeme Decarie said:
No. Socialism is not totally anti-individualism. In fact, capitalism is far more anti-individualist because it denies a voice to most people, and it has no responsibility to individuals - or anybody except itself.
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Which is why I am curious about Switzerland's direct democracy. Laws are voted on by the people, referendums are talked about and decided by the people.
I have never in my life been asked to participate in a political "poll" other than voting at an election let alone having a vote called with regards to abortion, gun control, foreign affairs, war, etc......
When I read about political stats....who are they asking? Have you been part of any polls? What happens when one candidate agrees with your view on abortion but the same candidate doesn't agree with you on the environment or war? I like the idea of voting on large issues separately to some extent.
 
Kimmio, Clinton was a very senior member for 8 years of a government that killed millions of innocent people, created tens of millions of refugees.... She is a person who has accept huge sums of money as gifts from billionaires. Do you really need proof of this?
She has the support of most American news media. The news media are owned by billionaires who use them for propaganda. Do you really need to have that proved to you?
She has been party to some of the most ruthless acts in world history. Do I have to draw pictures?
True, she has not yet dropped nuclear bombs. But she is a member of the government which planted them along the Russian border, an act which suggests she is willing to use them.
She has far the larger campaign fund of the two candidates. She has billions. you don't get that from holding raffles.
She has no social policy that I can determine. She has no economic policy that fits reality.
Government of the U.S. is by billionaires. That's a change we are watching all over the world. In New Brunswick, you can see it up close. With that, we are seeing a massive rise in poverty. And you rarely hear the politicians talking about that.
We have allowed everything that we said we fought for in World War Two to be abandoned. And it is going to get worse.
Trump is relatively harmless. First, he won't be able to get legislation through congress which, itself, is owned by billionaires.
Secondly, if he gets in the way of the billionaires, he'll be murdered. They have happily murdered over five million people (well over, in the last forty years - men, women and children. They have held South America, most of Africa, the middle east, much of Asia in a poverty of chaos to make profits for themselves. They aren't going to balk at shooting a Trump.
Kimmio, you are living in a world that no longer exists, and that ceased to exist a long time ago.
Trump or Clinton?
It couldn't matter less. The rulers of the US - and most of the world - are now people like the Koch brothers who are the biggest oil billionaires in the world - and the ones who spend billions to convince us that climate change isn't happening.
 
Graeme Decarie said:
Kimmio, Clinton was a very senior member for 8 years of a government that killed millions of innocent people, created tens of millions of refugees.... She is a person who has accept huge sums of money as gifts from billionaires. Do you really need proof of this?
She has the support of most American news media. The news media are owned by billionaires who use them for propaganda. Do you really need to have that proved to you?
She has been party to some of the most ruthless acts in world history. Do I have to draw pictures?
True, she has not yet dropped nuclear bombs. But she is a member of the government which planted them along the Russian border, an act which suggests she is willing to use them.
She has far the larger campaign fund of the two candidates. She has billions. you don't get that from holding raffles.
She has no social policy that I can determine. She has no economic policy that fits reality.
Government of the U.S. is by billionaires. That's a change we are watching all over the world. In New Brunswick, you can see it up close. With that, we are seeing a massive rise in poverty. And you rarely hear the politicians talking about that.
We have allowed everything that we said we fought for in World War Two to be abandoned. And it is going to get worse.
Trump is relatively harmless. First, he won't be able to get legislation through congress which, itself, is owned by billionaires.
Secondly, if he gets in the way of the billionaires, he'll be murdered. They have happily murdered over five million people (well over, in the last forty years - men, women and children. They have held South America, most of Africa, the middle east, much of Asia in a poverty of chaos to make profits for themselves. They aren't going to balk at shooting a Trump.
Kimmio, you are living in a world that no longer exists, and that ceased to exist a long time ago.
Trump or Clinton?
It couldn't matter less. The rulers of the US - and most of the world - are now people like the Koch brothers who are the biggest oil billionaires in the world - and the ones who spend billions to convince us that climate change isn't happening.
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What happened to the Rothchilds (sp?)
 
The problem with direct democracy is that people get their understandings of issues from news media. Almost all private news media are owned by the very wealthy or by a dictatorial state. So almost all are propaganda. honest news media are essential to any sort of democracy. And we have little in the way of honest news media.
The best in the English language world is the Israeli paper, Haaretz. But its coverage is pretty restricted. The Guardian used to be good, but it has declined. Al Jazeera is far, far better than it get credit for. The only decent Canadian news medium is CBC. But it's hampered by government interference. I don't know of a good example in U.S. news media - and that's all of them, including the New York Times.
 
To add to Graeme's list:

she is a part of the Global Surveillance Machine that is against us citizen's wills invading our privacy and collecting information on all of us

So Trump is Satan and Killary is g_d and we all know who killed more in the bibble...

(im still amazed that people in the us are willing to vote even tho their fed govt is relentlessly corrupt...they are such a wonderfully optimistic people...)
 
There was an incident in this campaign that people should have thought about. But didn't.
A Muslim, Mr.Khan, stood before the Democrat convention with one hand on his heart, and the other holding up the constitution. He made a statement in which he - well - let's change the usual description of it.----
He praised his son for taking part in the illegal invasion of Iraq, and taking part in the killing of over a million men, women and children, mostly civilians, so that oil billionaires could get control of the oil fields.
He didn't word it that way. But that's what happened.
Mr. Khan had his hand on his heart. But he didn't hold up a Bible, and he didn't hold up a Qu'ran. How could he for what his son had done? He held up what has become a more sacred document in the country south of us. He help up a copy of the constituion of the U.S.A.
Christians and Muslims might take a few minutes to think about that, and what it means.
 
It would be Islamophobia to think anything otherwise
Brilliant move whoever thought that up
Holding up something that global humanity is having trouble with: a system that is above the many global religions, something to form a base of global human interaction...
Graeme
Did any in the crowd seem to get it?
 
Trump's narcissism has been discussed for a year now. As soon as he mentioned the "wall" and deporting millions of people and mocking a disabled reporter, among other things - angry bluster and not backing down from inflammatory comments, referencing himself with praise constantly - it became apparent that this was not typical behaviour.

Dr. Drew, though, has gotten lots of his own media attention for diagnosing celebrities from a distance. That's Dr.Drew's own celebrity shtick. Charlie Sheen comes to mind - and I think he might've been right but it's not his call to make. (However even Charlie Sheen denounces Trump - I guess he recognizes something wrong, from experience).
 
I hadn't seen Clinton's part of it before. It's worse than I thought.
Religion of any sort comes after patriotism, no matter how irreligious that patriotism might be. it's taking the churches a long time to catch on to that.
 
Kimmio said:
Trump's narcissism has been discussed for a year now. As soon as he mentioned the "wall" and deporting millions of people and mocking a disabled reporter, among other things - angry bluster and not backing down from inflammatory comments, referencing himself with praise constantly - it became apparent that this was not typical behaviour.
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Interesting. And would you say that was around the same time you first started saying vile things about him?
 
Kimmio said:
Trump's narcissism has been discussed for a year now. As soon as he mentioned the "wall" and deporting millions of people and mocking a disabled reporter, among other things - angry bluster and not backing down from inflammatory comments, referencing himself with praise constantly - it became apparent that this was not typical behaviour.

Dr. Drew, though, has gotten lots of his own media attention for diagnosing celebrities from a distance. That's Dr.Drew's own celebrity shtick. Charlie Sheen comes to mind - and I think he might've been right but it's not his call to make. (However even Charlie Sheen denounces Trump - I guess he recognizes something wrong, from experience).
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Pr. Jae said:
Interesting. And would you say that was around the same time you first started saying vile things about him?
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Stop being a [edited] troll Jae
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See how pointless that was?
 
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