So you see things in a particular mode right Jae ... that's as strange as can be ... even if you really don't light strange unseen deities ...
TRUMP - Some people think......... How do you feel?
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So you see things in a particular mode right Jae ... that's as strange as can be ... even if you really don't light strange unseen deities ...
I just read this thread through for several pages and I didn't go after Jae. I criticized Trump, that's all. Please point out where I went after jae. Jae may have taken that personally but it was not about jae. I'm calling you on this because it didn't sit well when I read your justification, but I didn't have time to go back to the exchange with jae- then I discovered that it indeed wasn't true and I'd like you to stop thinking it's ok to make any excuse to attack my perceived faults - that are now accepted as commonplace to throw at me - in any conversation thread to discredit my opinion and make me question my reason, my integrity. Logically... Why do it?
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Northwind
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I am sure I can find some good in Mr Trump. I do believe in the inherent value and worth of every person. That being said, I still not do believe he is a suitable candidate for POTUS.
BetteTheRed
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Because, krikey, in that case, I'm an equally suitable candidate for POTUS...
If everybody is equally suitable for POTUS, by nature of their mere humanity, what is the point of this conversation? *sigh* Another thread dragged way off track by trolling.
If everybody is equally suitable for POTUS, by nature of their mere humanity, what is the point of this conversation? *sigh* Another thread dragged way off track by trolling.
He's entertaining - just would not be entertaining as, arguably, the most powerful leader in the world.
BetteTheRed
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I'd be entertaining too. I'm bad tempered, prone to flying off the handle, somewhat dramatic by nature...
Graeme Decarie
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Well, as you say, we were all created in the image of God. Case closed. So what's to discuss about Hitler?
And how is Trump's status imago Dei related to his capacity to be president?
Anyway, he won't be. From now on the U.S. media will concentrate on making fun of him. The very wealthy people who own virtually all the U.S. media (and most of the Canadian ones) have decided they want Hillary. And the news media they own says what it's told to say.
And how is Trump's status imago Dei related to his capacity to be president?
Anyway, he won't be. From now on the U.S. media will concentrate on making fun of him. The very wealthy people who own virtually all the U.S. media (and most of the Canadian ones) have decided they want Hillary. And the news media they own says what it's told to say.
BetteTheRed
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Do you think he'll screw up badly enough to turn both Congress and the Senate Dem?
All I'm saying is, let's look for the good in everyone including Donald J. Trump.
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Jae, there are individuals in life with no to almost-no redeeming characteristics. They may be made in the Image of God, but I'll let Her find 'em.
We had a student in one of our programs many years ago. Vile individual on every level. He had a wooden leg, and when it got trapped in a darkroom door, people laughed. He inspired no empathy or compassion in anyone, because he never once exhibited any.
We had a student in one of our programs many years ago. Vile individual on every level. He had a wooden leg, and when it got trapped in a darkroom door, people laughed. He inspired no empathy or compassion in anyone, because he never once exhibited any.
Graeme Decarie
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meanwhile, the American people are in serious trouble. Their economy now depends on war - constant war, and constant fear of war to keep the taxpayers borrowing money for it to feed a debt that alreay is beyond payment. Home ownership is at its lowest level in some 30 years. Whole cities, like Chicago, are disaster areas. Public schools are being starved for funds while private schools are planted to make sure the rich kids are not inconvenienced. The hopelessly overpriced and inefficient medical system in the U.S. (not as much improved by Obama as some would think) is moving back to full privatization. The proportion of working class is on the rise. I have seen no interest by either candidate in addressing these problems.
The U.S. has postured itself to provoke China and Russia ini ways it would never tolerate if Russia and China tried them on the U.S. The U.S. wants a war. And the defence industry desperately wants war. It's superb for business. The risk of nuclear war is much higher now than it was in the Cuban missile crisis.
And if the U.S. were to default on its impossible debt, the dollar would be destroyed. So watch for the U.S. to make war against its debtors (like China) to steal the money. And remember, that world's most expensive millitary needs constant renewable.
Neither candidate has addressed any of those questions. There is nothing to hope for in the U.S. - except war.
The U.S. has postured itself to provoke China and Russia ini ways it would never tolerate if Russia and China tried them on the U.S. The U.S. wants a war. And the defence industry desperately wants war. It's superb for business. The risk of nuclear war is much higher now than it was in the Cuban missile crisis.
And if the U.S. were to default on its impossible debt, the dollar would be destroyed. So watch for the U.S. to make war against its debtors (like China) to steal the money. And remember, that world's most expensive millitary needs constant renewable.
Neither candidate has addressed any of those questions. There is nothing to hope for in the U.S. - except war.
Graeme Decarie
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Tell us about the good in either Trump or Clinton.
Talking about character...She's still married to Bill, so she's capable of forgiveness and reconciliation and caring more than just about herself - she's loyal -she is not vindictive or she would've publicly smeared him herself.
She's advocated for marginalized and underprivileged.
There was once an idealist in her - a compassionate spark that could be reignited. Trump never had it.
She's advocated for marginalized and underprivileged.
There was once an idealist in her - a compassionate spark that could be reignited. Trump never had it.
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Ah but those were done more than 6,000 years ago and are therefore fake.
BetteTheRed
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What exactly are we evaluating as "good" and "bad" here? I'm looking for "working" and "not working". I'm seeing more flexibility in Ms Clinton than in Mr. Drumpf.
Graeme Decarie
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People do not 'create' jobs or erect buildings as acts of Christian charity. It is done to make money - for themselves. They pay workers the minimum possible often, like Trump, importing foreign labour at starvation level wages. Contrary to myth, the wealthy do no create wealth. On the contrary, they take more than they give. Trump did not get rich by giving. He did it by taking.
Today, the wealthy in the U.S. are more wealthy than ever. the rest of the country is suffering. Exactly the same thing happened in the 1930s. There's a study of this in Canada. I'll try to remember the name of it. There's also a book dealing with wealth and poverty in nineteenth century Canada called The Anatomy of Poverty.
Hillary is not being forgiving to Bill. She doesn't give a damn about his affairs. In fact, my blog today has information on his close friendship with a man who has done time for assaults involving young Girls. The man operates a resort island of Puerto Rico for sexual perverts. (seriously). Prince Andrew, of course, has been a guest. So has Bill Clinton, many times. There is no spousal compassion between Bill and Hillary. Their marriage is a business deal. And it's both of them extremely wealthy. It's not unusual. Eleanor Roosevelt stayed with FD Roosevelt for the same reason, though she knew he was having a lifetime affair with his secretary. That's always been common among the upper classes. Winston Churchill's father spent all his spare time in brothels, and died of venereal disease. His mother was known as the woman with 200 lovers.
As well, Hillary has talked a good game, but has done very little for the poor. She's in the pay of the defence and oil industries - and they are not charitable organizations. She has no platform of any substance to help the poor. The last president to do anything at all for the poor was probably Roosevelt. (Obama care is largely a device to feed profits to the insurance and pharmaceutical businesses. And in any case, it's going to be killed.) The U.S has far the worst record in the developed world for social legislation. Even Cuba, tiny and poor, has a far superior record.
And there is no flexibility in Hillary. She's a materialistic and greedy woman. that's why she married Bill and sticks with him. As well. she's long ago been bought by big money.
No matter who wins, the poor in the U.S. have no hope.
Today, the wealthy in the U.S. are more wealthy than ever. the rest of the country is suffering. Exactly the same thing happened in the 1930s. There's a study of this in Canada. I'll try to remember the name of it. There's also a book dealing with wealth and poverty in nineteenth century Canada called The Anatomy of Poverty.
Hillary is not being forgiving to Bill. She doesn't give a damn about his affairs. In fact, my blog today has information on his close friendship with a man who has done time for assaults involving young Girls. The man operates a resort island of Puerto Rico for sexual perverts. (seriously). Prince Andrew, of course, has been a guest. So has Bill Clinton, many times. There is no spousal compassion between Bill and Hillary. Their marriage is a business deal. And it's both of them extremely wealthy. It's not unusual. Eleanor Roosevelt stayed with FD Roosevelt for the same reason, though she knew he was having a lifetime affair with his secretary. That's always been common among the upper classes. Winston Churchill's father spent all his spare time in brothels, and died of venereal disease. His mother was known as the woman with 200 lovers.
As well, Hillary has talked a good game, but has done very little for the poor. She's in the pay of the defence and oil industries - and they are not charitable organizations. She has no platform of any substance to help the poor. The last president to do anything at all for the poor was probably Roosevelt. (Obama care is largely a device to feed profits to the insurance and pharmaceutical businesses. And in any case, it's going to be killed.) The U.S has far the worst record in the developed world for social legislation. Even Cuba, tiny and poor, has a far superior record.
And there is no flexibility in Hillary. She's a materialistic and greedy woman. that's why she married Bill and sticks with him. As well. she's long ago been bought by big money.
No matter who wins, the poor in the U.S. have no hope.
Hillary is not Bill.
(Trump was hanging out with the same guy, I read, and there's a pending court case against Trump being brought by one of the young girls who'd been lured there and allegedly sexually assaulted).
Hillary is not Bill. Bill was a sleaze in his personal affairs, granted. As president he made both good and bad decisions, but, regardless...Hillary is not Bill. And Hillary could've done quite well without him should she have decided not to remain loyal to their marriage. She doesn't need him to be successful in her own right.
Again...Hillary is not Bill.
(Trump was hanging out with the same guy, I read, and there's a pending court case against Trump being brought by one of the young girls who'd been lured there and allegedly sexually assaulted).
Hillary is not Bill. Bill was a sleaze in his personal affairs, granted. As president he made both good and bad decisions, but, regardless...Hillary is not Bill. And Hillary could've done quite well without him should she have decided not to remain loyal to their marriage. She doesn't need him to be successful in her own right.
Again...Hillary is not Bill.