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Graeme Decarie
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jae, I didn't list sources because it would have taken me a long time, more spare time than I have, and because you still wouldn't believe it. Tell me a couple of points you don't believe - and I will take the time to give you sources. I cannot take the time compose a list of sources for everything I say. And I note that you never give sources for what you say.
I have 'chosen' not to give sources? That suggests I am lying.
You doubt that the U.S. bombed Cuba? I flew over it on the way to Jamaica many years ago, and saw the bomb craters. I knew what they were because I had seen them on TV news not long before. You never heard of the intense bombing of North Korea and Cambodia? Far the most intense in history, and with far the heaviest proportion of civilian deaths in history? That's as simple as checking google. You've never heard of the U.S. deliberately starving civilians in Yemen?
You've never heard of the slaughter in Guatemala? That's possible. It hasn't been reported. But if you check national film board on your computer, you will find an NFB film about it. And I can show you the grave of a Canadian lay missionary who was murdered in that. When I was on radio, I interviewed the doctor who did the autopsy on him.
And I'll bet you never heard of the American dousing of Vietnam in agent orange and of the horrible deformed babies that produced. It was in all the papers at the time. And you never heard of the My Lai massacre - which was remembered just days ago. Just type My Lai in google. And try to remember the TV news footage of Vietnamese children being burned to death by napalm in the 1960s.
And I'll bet you never heard of the U.S. use of torture all over the world. And, when the new head of the CIA was named you missed all the stories about how, until Trump appointed her to the CIA, she had been the chief officer for American torture centres.
And you won't believe any of this because your sense of The Bible is that it is a refuge from the world, and not what it really is, a challenge to the world.
So, just for laughs, here's something else you won't believe - the children of Yemen who are being starved to death by the CIA.
Go to Google. select images, and type in starving children Yemen.
And in future, may I suggest you don't pull up your skirts and call other people liars unless you have your own sources and evidence to that effect.
And try to remember that Christianity is not simply a device to make you acceptable in polite (if wimpy) company. and the teachings of Jesus are not simply free passes to heaven.
I have 'chosen' not to give sources? That suggests I am lying.
You doubt that the U.S. bombed Cuba? I flew over it on the way to Jamaica many years ago, and saw the bomb craters. I knew what they were because I had seen them on TV news not long before. You never heard of the intense bombing of North Korea and Cambodia? Far the most intense in history, and with far the heaviest proportion of civilian deaths in history? That's as simple as checking google. You've never heard of the U.S. deliberately starving civilians in Yemen?
You've never heard of the slaughter in Guatemala? That's possible. It hasn't been reported. But if you check national film board on your computer, you will find an NFB film about it. And I can show you the grave of a Canadian lay missionary who was murdered in that. When I was on radio, I interviewed the doctor who did the autopsy on him.
And I'll bet you never heard of the American dousing of Vietnam in agent orange and of the horrible deformed babies that produced. It was in all the papers at the time. And you never heard of the My Lai massacre - which was remembered just days ago. Just type My Lai in google. And try to remember the TV news footage of Vietnamese children being burned to death by napalm in the 1960s.
And I'll bet you never heard of the U.S. use of torture all over the world. And, when the new head of the CIA was named you missed all the stories about how, until Trump appointed her to the CIA, she had been the chief officer for American torture centres.
And you won't believe any of this because your sense of The Bible is that it is a refuge from the world, and not what it really is, a challenge to the world.
So, just for laughs, here's something else you won't believe - the children of Yemen who are being starved to death by the CIA.
Go to Google. select images, and type in starving children Yemen.
And in future, may I suggest you don't pull up your skirts and call other people liars unless you have your own sources and evidence to that effect.
And try to remember that Christianity is not simply a device to make you acceptable in polite (if wimpy) company. and the teachings of Jesus are not simply free passes to heaven.
You could have at least offered up a few Graeme - one or two even. However, you gave none.
Graeme Decarie said:
That would largely depend Graeme upon the recognized reliability of the sources.
Graeme Decarie said:
It is less that I out-and-out don't believe your points Graeme, and more that you're the only one I've heard making such points. That said, I will post separately a short list of your points I would most like sources for.
Graeme Decarie said:
Now that's simply untrue Graeme.
Graeme Decarie said:
No Graeme. It states that you didn't give sources. I didn't sense your motives for not giving them.
A lot of westerners are determined about not reading this literature ... if they do they don't like it ...
Do many modern Christians support totalitarianism? Could it be cryptic ... or critical if thought beyond that certain line of determinism ... uncertainty scares the crap out of the institutionalized!
that's a mighty long "Salami" there, Mr.
do you have a permit?
If the we inner fits ... put it where it belongs ... taking responsibility for consequences to the Jagwurst that lost it while there! Tis a natural scheme it seems (conspiracy the O'rah) ... that point of knowing nothing as iconic incident in time? Can crack the dark glass ...
I really enjoyed his writing ... would be forbidden for those under restrictions ... confined psyches? Only emotions and wiles are free ... thus the thorns ... mad men and psychopathic development in process ... hate boils over ... who stirs this emotional pot ... is there alternate pot?
How large is the desire to not know ... or unknow history's myths as they do not suit the power hungry?
It is a vast field ... countercurrent of the flow of wiles? Tis a sly thing ... difficult for the hard set to gather from .. as deep in the myth of biblical power ... Machiavellian? Is love in the extreme a power that will put you out of IT? Intellectual đisposition! (NB the poorly understood icon ... part of the extent of god)?
It is a vast field ... countercurrent of the flow of wiles? Tis a sly thing ... difficult for the hard set to gather from .. as deep in the myth of biblical power ... Machiavellian? Is love in the extreme a power that will put you out of IT? Intellectual đisposition! (NB the poorly understood icon ... part of the extent of god)?
Graeme Decarie
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Forget it jae, you lie even to yourself.
I gave you some sources. They were quite valid ones. But you don't even acknowledge them. The present head of the CIA is a woman who, until very recently, was the director of an illegal, American government torture centre. That has made almost all the news, even in the US and Canada. I gave you the NFB source on the killing in Guatemala. (Do you know what the NFB is?) The use of napalm bombs indiscriminately on civilians was well recorded on almost all TV news - especially the shot of a very young girl , naked, screaming and in flames as she ran in terror. And, oh, you never heard of the deliberation starvation of civilians in Yemen - though I told you how to get pictures of them at images 'starvation in Yemen'.
As for demanding a reliable source, you don't have the faintest idea what a reliable source is.
And you did accuse me of lying. To say that I refused to give sources is to strongly suggest that I am lying.
I'm not going to waste any more time on you. Either you are severely retarded or you are not righteous so much as self-righteous. I suspect it's the latter.
Goodbye.
I gave you some sources. They were quite valid ones. But you don't even acknowledge them. The present head of the CIA is a woman who, until very recently, was the director of an illegal, American government torture centre. That has made almost all the news, even in the US and Canada. I gave you the NFB source on the killing in Guatemala. (Do you know what the NFB is?) The use of napalm bombs indiscriminately on civilians was well recorded on almost all TV news - especially the shot of a very young girl , naked, screaming and in flames as she ran in terror. And, oh, you never heard of the deliberation starvation of civilians in Yemen - though I told you how to get pictures of them at images 'starvation in Yemen'.
As for demanding a reliable source, you don't have the faintest idea what a reliable source is.
And you did accuse me of lying. To say that I refused to give sources is to strongly suggest that I am lying.
I'm not going to waste any more time on you. Either you are severely retarded or you are not righteous so much as self-righteous. I suspect it's the latter.
Goodbye.
Certainly never meant to accuse you of lying Graeme. The kind of sources you gave are not what I was looking for. I wanted clear, direct references to such things as news articles, reliable websites, journals, books, etc. You opted not to provide any of those.
revjohn
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Historical Illiteracy is prevalent in our society.
Like most other forms of illiteracy there are coping strategies. One is reducing history to pictures that appear on magazine covers.
While I did not major in history I always took advantage of whatever history courses my discipline afforded.
I also realized history is far larger that the curriculum of any one course and it is much larger than knowing what hapoened on any one date.
Most of my family went to the eye rolling "yes dad" option when I would get excited about local history.
Just this past summer I caught my son listening to some history podcasts that were, I thought, very well done. He seemed embarrassed when I brought it up.
He is, apparently just as enthused to have a conversation about historical events as he ever was. He is now able to follow conversation if I make reference to some historical point.
For the most part if I get going on a history roll the response is "make dad stop talking about boring old history."
So yeah. Still some Philistines walking among us.
And my history is shading more to surface knowledge than anything else
But I boggle at folk who cannot recall the tremendous bombing campaigns of the American war machine in the latter half of the 20th Century.
But they probably remember the cover photo from that issue if Time more than they do the story content.
Like most other forms of illiteracy there are coping strategies. One is reducing history to pictures that appear on magazine covers.
While I did not major in history I always took advantage of whatever history courses my discipline afforded.
I also realized history is far larger that the curriculum of any one course and it is much larger than knowing what hapoened on any one date.
Most of my family went to the eye rolling "yes dad" option when I would get excited about local history.
Just this past summer I caught my son listening to some history podcasts that were, I thought, very well done. He seemed embarrassed when I brought it up.
He is, apparently just as enthused to have a conversation about historical events as he ever was. He is now able to follow conversation if I make reference to some historical point.
For the most part if I get going on a history roll the response is "make dad stop talking about boring old history."
So yeah. Still some Philistines walking among us.
And my history is shading more to surface knowledge than anything else
But I boggle at folk who cannot recall the tremendous bombing campaigns of the American war machine in the latter half of the 20th Century.
But they probably remember the cover photo from that issue if Time more than they do the story content.
Graeme Decarie
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jae
go away.
go away.
Like the Prodigal attribute ... will he learn about incomprehensible stuff while at the other trough ... grooving along bottom lien?
Not likely, improbable ... but possible as all things are in eternal dimensions ...
Not going to seek to talk with you since you're not interested in doing so. Have a good day Graeme.
Graeme Decarie
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ah, revjohn, history has its faults. It is virtually impossible to teach an honest history of Canada at the public school level. I tried it. But it brings angry parents and school boards to the door. And it's difficult to teach real history even at the university level because professors have no training whatever in teaching. And many of them flee teaching at any opportunity. They aren't interested in it. The purpose of university for them is to enhance their own egos.
I had eight years or so of studying history at the university level. Almost all of it was at the most primitive level - rote learning, memorizing lectures for the exam, and forgetting it after the exam. The only exception I can remember was a professor Fred Gibson at Queen's. I shall always be grateful to him.
And it's not a science. Professors vary widely according to their values and to current fashions. memorizing lectures, in any case, is not learning. What students need is training in analysis and judgement. But that rarely happens. All the style is useless memorizing.
I had eight years or so of studying history at the university level. Almost all of it was at the most primitive level - rote learning, memorizing lectures for the exam, and forgetting it after the exam. The only exception I can remember was a professor Fred Gibson at Queen's. I shall always be grateful to him.
And it's not a science. Professors vary widely according to their values and to current fashions. memorizing lectures, in any case, is not learning. What students need is training in analysis and judgement. But that rarely happens. All the style is useless memorizing.
And it's not a science.
Could you call that artistic science ... or creative? Best translated through myth?
Got to love the horn blower myth ... and the brute force of Brighter Navies against the Mediterranean Garlic Eaters (Spanish odour)? Can such things impress the conscience?
Could you call that artistic science ... or creative? Best translated through myth?
Got to love the horn blower myth ... and the brute force of Brighter Navies against the Mediterranean Garlic Eaters (Spanish odour)? Can such things impress the conscience?
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and then of course there's this guy
CONTRARY BRIN: Questioning assumptions, left and right
so I'm kinda stuck; global humanity has achieved soooo much, true amazements that would make organized religions happy ("we r achieving our mandate")...and yet so many *really* bad things r happening