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Haven't watched the Ben Affleck video yet...but of course there's cognitive dissonance happening today. The alt-right have created their very own narrative in their very own universe of alternative facts. They would have people believe that free speech supporting nazis is the same kind of anti-establishment narrative as the civil rights movement toward equality was in the 60s. Ignoring, of course, that society still hasn't achieved equality - but as it has inched closer, they've felt threatened.

Scott Adams, for example, does a really good job of using people's cognitive dissonance against them as a tool of indoctrination. "If you think x then you are in a mass hysteria bubble and I'll show you 'y'." Then, after he's indoctrinated a person, it doesn't matter what's actually true or not, but the cognitive dissonance gap is narrowed and people feel better...so they drink more of the kool-aid.
 
Inannawhimsey said:
On Antifa shenaniganz
We need not attribute actual conscious malice to them
Their agitation could also be due to cognitive dissonance
And then their actions are supported through groupthink and the various mechanisms we are hier to that mold our very thoughts to support whatever Group we happen to be in...
We are very powerful creatures able to create such amazing concepts as "countries" (meaningless bits of dirt that we can defend with our lives and get upset when someone insults that bit of dirt), "uglyness", "mercy", "justice" and so forth...

There this video which is a very good relatively recent example of cognitive dissonance. The US show Politically Incorrect with Bill Maher.

Watch Ben Affleck show cognitive dissonance.
In this case he doesn't get violent, but he does get very irrational, angry, shaky, not on topic, etc.

Also look up Breaching Experiments, where people test violation of social norms (the collection of which a culture essentially is...). I remember a simple one where the researchers would pick up trash on a university ground when students were around and after someone else would ask how they felt. Some were angered by the act or felt uncomfortable. Because a social norm was the janitors were the people who did that.

The effects of these violations can include but aren't limited to anger, frustration, fight or flight response, violence, compromised immune systems, sweating...

Blasphemy Laws arose to protect social norms very strongly...and you see what happens when even nonsacred things get violated...when the idea or item or whatnot is Sacred, to even think aboot the possibility of the thing could be a violation, a Taboo. Look at how sombunall people react when they see a picture of Mohammad; they can riot and even kill.

We're such powerful creatures.

LA DI DAH!!

Ps herez an old experiment showing how our very thoughts and feelings and notions on what is true can change even by something completely trivial
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s**t, if you'd like the ultimate in irrational, talk to a US citizen, of almost any stripe, about rational gun control. Kills a LOT more people than terrorists of either the Muslim, or white male, variety.
 
BetteTheRed said:
s**t, if you'd like the ultimate in irrational, talk to a US citizen, of almost any stripe, about rational gun control. Kills a LOT more people than terrorists of either the Muslim, or white male, variety.
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I've experienced the cognitve dissonance here on multiple sides :LOL:

And have come to grok aboot guns here...it took me years...I had to get over my own beliefs (like the big one "what is a Canadian? We ain't Americans!") and Americophobia
 
Ah, there's a subtler undercurrent to the Canadian identity that is bigger than what we are not. It is what we face. The North.
 
Inanna, personal question, have you ever lived through a winter in a northern latitude with a lot of snow? It can be quite a different sort of feeling, maybe especially when your 'local water' freezes over hard to the depth of 18" or so...
 
BetteTheRed said:
Inanna, personal question, have you ever lived through a winter in a northern latitude with a lot of snow? It can be quite a different sort of feeling, maybe especially when your 'local water' freezes over hard to the depth of 18" or so...
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Endless Tundra
Yes
I was looking at a map the other day of electricity use across the globe over 1 day
It was fascinating
Most of Canada is a dark blot
Fascinating country
 
Haven't watched the Ben Affleck video yet...but of course there's cognitive dissonance happening today. The alt-right have created their very own narrative in their very own universe.

Scott Adams, for example, does a really good job of using people's cognitive dissonance against them as a tool of indoctrination. "If you think x then you are in a mass hysteria bubble and I'll show you 'y'." Then, it doesn't matter what's actually true or not, but the cognitive dissonance gap is narrowed and people feel better...so they drink more of the kool-aid.
Inannawhimsey said:
On Antifa shenaniganz
We need not attribute actual conscious malice to them
Their agitation could also be due to cognitive dissonance
And then their actions are supported through groupthink and the various mechanisms we are hier to that mold our very thoughts to support whatever Group we happen to be in...
We are very powerful creatures able to create such amazing concepts as "countries" (meaningless bits of dirt that we can defend with our lives and get upset when someone insults that bit of dirt), "uglyness", "mercy", "justice" and so forth...

There this video which is a very good relatively recent example of cognitive dissonance. The US show Politically Incorrect with Bill Maher.

Watch Ben Affleck show cognitive dissonance.
In this case he doesn't get violent, but he does get very irrational, angry, shaky, not on topic, etc.

Also look up Breaching Experiments, where people test violation of social norms (the collection of which a culture essentially is...). I remember a simple one where the researchers would pick up trash on a university ground when students were around and after someone else would ask how they felt. Some were angered by the act or felt uncomfortable. Because a social norm was the janitors were the people who did that.

The effects of these violations can include but aren't limited to anger, frustration, fight or flight response, violence, compromised immune systems, sweating...

Blasphemy Laws arose to protect social norms very strongly...and you see what happens when even nonsacred things get violated...when the idea or item or whatnot is Sacred, to even think aboot the possibility of the thing could be a violation, a Taboo. Look at how sombunall people react when they see a picture of Mohammad; they can riot and even kill.

We're such powerful creatures.

LA DI DAH!!

Ps herez an old experiment showing how our very thoughts and feelings and notions on what is true can change even by something completely trivial
Click to expand...
i just watched the Bill Maher video and I agree that Ben Affleck was overly agitated and interrupting Sam Harris. He didn't seem to want to let him make his point.

The panel does make good points though - that considering the billions of Muslims the fanatics are few. And that those trying to reform the faith from within, for the better, are not given enough of a voice or platform (Ben wasn't helping that effort very well - I don't know what was said prior to the start of the video that had him already so ruffled). I think the idea that mainstream - the majority - of Muslims want to institute Sharia law or that their religious beliefs are a threat to civil society is bunk. Muslims have been living in the west for hundreds of years and it is only recently that non-Muslim people have become aware and threatened by this idea that has been generated by fanaticism on both sides. It hasn't happened in all this time - you'd think Sharia law would have been instituted or more mainstreamed already if it were a threat to the West for hundreds of years.. The majority of violent extremism committed in the U.S. is by violent extremists who identify as Christians. But the alt right-wing media is giving credence to this Islamophobic fear. They do a lot of steady damage in the service of elevating phobias toward minority groups and bringing out the worst in people, generally.
 
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We cannot accept we live in a hostile world a... and thus have disturbed awareness (cognitive dissonance) about it ... and Trump dislikes anything that's out and about ... a well rounded term like Eris as dissonant meta phore ... then there are the storm gods ... emotional breakaways from peace ... in your imagination these can be destructive abstracts!

Yet many hard bred institututionalized Christians swear they are at peace while denying the neighbour the basis of life ... and then the alternate ess crowed ...

The Ca/Ka/Qua of spirit is elusive to the embattled physiologist ... not so with the crazy psychologist ... who may confront neurology differently ... thus synapsis in the Y's ... Shaman of snappy nature ... as elastic it can come back at you as egotist ... with sol sense they believe they are all there is to know and the alternate shouldn't be known ... thus veils ... and Moorish sex ... eM bean dark times ... opposing washouts of cloudy attribute ...

Just before Ray Naissance ...
 
Order vs. Chaos: the raging fires that we must decide wether they spread or not...
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Meme's ... part of a' sol ... sometimes defined as a circulating colloidal fluid ... quite in physical though and thus possibly complex, imaginary, or justly out there ... laying down the rules for those not rising to emotions ... to keep their heads down ...

Hate is flying out there with some ease ... it is a Job to avoid the devil's demonstrations of subtle thought trains ... subways?

Could explain that scene in Ghost! Then perhaps just ... the spirit as' thought ... ass in nein? A real bummer if you research the 9 muses ... sometimes supported by the Nordic spirit of O' Din and the resources for the initiation of a vowel led language to override the cons nodal harshness of those derived from Syrilliac? Some can be attributed to previous Runes ...

Although the whole thing may be a figment of mind ... sol parts as scattered ... flighty words? These may drift eternally as they get feint we may not detect them from a physical stance and not psychological, or immaterial logistics carved in someone stumped ... the loss baffles me as much as the parietal Wahl ... fissure or just a flaw thereof?
 
Look beyond the norm ... Norm married us and them later died ... just gone ... nothing left of him but thoughts on split ethics ... de ontological and Theo logical ... providing an escape Rhode from reality ... vivisection of aspiration, fears and things causing real Christians to ease into hate ... just for observation or social activity?

If I told you the entire myth as impacted you wouldn't believe it as BS ... and thus obviously ob tous BS to those having learned hate! So easy to step into and so difficult to extract self from ... because of the entertaining nature. That self is a devious ID eoM ... some say an AUM of past ... tis a grace or given ... what the Romantics attribute to tole kein ... weird castle building ... when all you need is the Dark Arc Cain past of mutiny in heaven ... something baled out of the vessel ... fall out?

Observe Gnu's giving birth ... it's common ... as John' story ...
 
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