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UnDefinitive ...... SHE ...... SHE ... not he........ Caitlyn.....
Whether or not a trans person has "the operation" is in no way a sign of status and it is terrible to even bring that up.
We have no business in HER pants and I ask you to respect that.
Your viewpoint is extremely judgmental and you have not even given this person a fair chance.
I am asking you to reconsider and give this PERSON ... a SHE ... a chance....
That much I feel is only right.
Sincerely
Rita
 
One of my co-workers had a sister that became a brother. Turns out he was inter-sexed and family was told to raise as a girl. As a teen she became a he. As public and private individuals share their stories it becomes easier for all. Easier for those who do transition and easier for those around them. Each story counts. 10 years ago my co-worker would not have shared her siblings story.
 
One of my co-workers roommates from university was altered (transcended state of sect) when he met her at an engineering conference some 20 years later he was stricken ... the impulse was a knockout and my co-worker went back to his hotel room and stayed pickled for the balance of the conference!

Do you suppose he missed something ... in the past functions that is!
 
Serious question, not meant to cause offense and I hope it doesn't.

I was reading the Wikipedia entry for Caitlyn Jenner. In the section of the article dealing with Bruce Jenner's Olympic career, as the gold medal winner in the 1976 men's decathlon in Montreal, the references to Bruce Jenner are still using the pronoun "she." I don't know exactly how to word this, so I'll try my best to do so respectfully. Is the change in pronoun generally used to cover a transgendered person's entire life, including during the period when the transgendered person was living publicly as the other gender? So, in reference to the Olympic story of "Bruce" is it appropriate to say "she" won the men's decathlon, or would it be "he" won the men's decathlon? What would be your view, Rita, and is there a universally accepted protocol in the transgendered community about this?
 
Good question. One of the IT team at my wife's work transitioned a couple years back (man to woman). She was there when I was a student in the school almost 30 years ago and I'm always dropping "he" in conversation if I'm not being mindful about it when talking about this person because back then, she was a he.
 
Would sex transition indicate a transcendent genre ... or cause change of emotions due to inevitable alterations in hormones and their effect on the brain cells? These are small parts of the largest human gonad ...

Tis an odd thing really ... as people (M) do not think religiously that it is meant to think ... just follow the heart ...
 
Pr. Jae said:
@Seeler - "For this reason a man will leave his father and his mother, and will be joined to his wife. And they will become one flesh" - Genesis 2: 24 (NLV)
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so git goin', Christians, yer all meant to be post-op transexuals
quite economical
someone that can both defend against danger and find lost socks, keys & children, all in one package :3
 
Is that hyperlink ... or just higher connection that allows the lost being found?

Leaves me at loose ends or with profuse strings to attach to make up a wild tapestry ... or is that another string about madgi carpets in front of a fire in an isolated location on a deserted i'll ... without the alter ego? The one intimate sufficiently to let you know where you went wrong and can change directions ... otherwise turn quick enough to see you hind spitted to allow for heated beefs!

Perhaps not politically correct when vegetating ... time for a'rousting out or Eris ID? When really mentally screwed is it hard to tell up from downs????????????

I'm told that some addicted to spatial cults ... can see in de clear zone as chaffing dish!!!!!!
 
The useful functionality of the trangender's or any other 'human rights' activists self-deception is ... they can easily become the lackey or hack of the oppressor, who divides and dis-unites the oppressed. The role they perform, is in reality the exact reverse of what they imagine it to be ... they help by their identity politics to maintain and perpetuate the whole system of racial, sexual, class or religious oppression ... rather than destroying it.
You begin to destroy social oppression when you begin to treat the other as ... in spite of their individual choices ... equal to the universal and inalienable (i.e., rights that cannot be repealed or restrained by human laws). rights of every other human being ... instead of defining rights according to black or white or gay or transgender or woman or man or rich or poor or christian or atheist or professional or amateur .... I am not a pronoun -- I just am.
 
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Serious question, not meant to cause offense and I hope it doesn't.

I was reading the Wikipedia entry for Caitlyn Jenner. In the section of the article dealing with Bruce Jenner's Olympic career, as the gold medal winner in the 1976 men's decathlon in Montreal, the references to Bruce Jenner are still using the pronoun "she." I don't know exactly how to word this, so I'll try my best to do so respectfully. Is the change in pronoun generally used to cover a transgendered person's entire life, including during the period when the transgendered person was living publicly as the other gender? So, in reference to the Olympic story of "Bruce" is it appropriate to say "she" won the men's decathlon, or would it be "he" won the men's decathlon? What would be your view, Rita, and is there a universally accepted protocol in the transgendered community about this?
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It's a very good question; I think you did a great job of phrasing it respectfully. I too would find this helpful to know - and feel fortunate that we have RitaTgG here to help us with our understanding and growth.
 
Since Jenner was not actually male when she won Olympic gold in men's events, she should be made to give back those medals and asked to renounce her wins - right?
 
UnDefinitive said:
The useful functionality of the trangender's or any other 'human rights' activists self-deception is ... they can easily become the lackey or hack of the oppressor, who divides and dis-unites the oppressed. The role they perform, is in reality the exact reverse of what they imagine it to be ... they help by their identity politics to maintain and perpetuate the whole system of racial, sexual, class or religious oppression ... rather than destroying it.
You begin to destroy social oppression when you begin to treat the other as ... in spite of their individual choices ... equal to the universal and inalienable (i.e., rights that cannot be repealed or restrained by human laws). rights of every other human being ... instead of defining rights according to black or white or gay or transgender or woman or man or rich or poor or christian or atheist or professional or amateur .... I am not a pronoun -- I just am.
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This appears to be complexly creeping in potential to change and learning something new ... like mole asses ...
 
As a man ... does some surrounding female form chafe you adequately and thus stabilize your outraging emotions about lack of change?
 
Pr. Jae said:
Since Jenner was not actually male when she won Olympic gold in men's events, she should be made to give back those medals and asked to renounce her wins - right?
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No. Physically she was male when that happened so unless someone can prove drug use or other cheating, the medals should stay. Now, if she was competing today, there might be an argument to be had as to whether she should compete as a man or woman, but I don't think that applies to the past.
 
Mendalla said:
No. Physically she was male when that happened so unless someone can prove drug use or other cheating, the medals should stay. Now, if she was competing today, there might be an argument to be had as to whether she should compete as a man or woman, but I don't think that applies to the past.
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Are you saying that when she competed in the Olympics she was competing as a man Mendalla? There is more to being male than just having a certain body type, is there not? She may have had the physique of a male, but inward was she not female?
 
Pr. Jae said:
Are you saying that when she competed in the Olympics she was competing as a man Mendalla? There is more to being male than just having a certain body type, is there not? She may have had the physique of a male, but inward was she not female?
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personally, i'd say the only person who has any right to say either way is Caitlin herself, which includes whether to call her her in the past and whatnot :3 that's why when i'm in a f2f situation where i'm unsure, i ask the specific person

good call with your points, too

as we investigate such things as identity and 'isness' :3
 
Pr. Jae said:
Are you saying that when she competed in the Olympics she was competing as a man Mendalla? There is more to being male than just having a certain body type, is there not? She may have had the physique of a male, but inward was she not female?
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Are you following a set of instructions on how to be disliked? Maybe you're writing a book on the subject and you're doing research?

There is no point to your arguments. You're just arguing for the sake of arguing. There is no doubt she was a male at the time. She may have felt female her whole life for all we know, but her physical attributes were male. You're just being an idiot for sport again.
 
chansen said:
Are you following a set of instructions on how to be disliked? Maybe you're writing a book on the subject and you're doing research?

There is no point to your arguments. You're just arguing for the sake of arguing. There is no doubt she was a male at the time. She may have felt female her whole life for all we know, but her physical attributes were male. You're just being an idiot for sport again.
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There's no doubt she was male, you say. I thought the pov of transgendered persons was that they always knew they were the opposite gender to what their bodies were. If Jenner knew she was a female inside a man's body then she shouldn't have competed in men's sports. It was dishonest for her to do so. If being a certain gender is only about what body you have (I would say it isn't, but you seem to differ here), that would discredit the transgendered argument of one being able to having a different gender than one's physical being.
 
Thus one should get bode, spirit and soul together ... but rich and powerful peoples loose soul ... says so in the bible ...!

Thus is you are rich in any you've lost it until you're out of here into a larger more ethereal form ... a'void if you wish physical wealth ... pull your divided self together ... what gravity is for ...

Sounds like the basis of a huge myth on attractive and repulsive forces ... like Levite that can lift a soul far way into that distant giggling! Must be the devil laughing at us and our paranoia ... now if you're right into wit could you laugh it off? Thus it too would be out there ...
 
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