Transgenderism ..... ask your questions!

Welcome to Wondercafe2!

A community where we discuss, share, and have some fun together. Join today and become a part of it!

Register Log in
Status
Not open for further replies.
Jae said:
A group of evangelicals have just released Nashville Statement

A few statements from it...

"WE DENY that adopting a homosexual or transgender self-conception is consistent with God's holy purposes in creation and redemption."

"WE AFFIRM that it is sinful to approve of homosexual immorality or transgenderism and that such approval constitutes an essential departure from Christian faithfulness and witness."

"WE DENY that the approval of homosexual immorality or transgenderism is a matter of moral indifference about which otherwise faithful Christians should agree to disagree."

"WE AFFIRM that the grace of God in Christ enables sinners to forsake transgender self-conceptions and by divine forbearance to accept the God-ordained link between one's biological sex and one's self-conception as male or female."
Click to expand...

Is that chaos or what?
 
Jae said:
A group of evangelicals have just released Nashville Statement

A few statements from it...

"WE DENY that adopting a homosexual or transgender self-conception is consistent with God's holy purposes in creation and redemption."

"WE AFFIRM that it is sinful to approve of homosexual immorality or transgenderism and that such approval constitutes an essential departure from Christian faithfulness and witness."

"WE DENY that the approval of homosexual immorality or transgenderism is a matter of moral indifference about which otherwise faithful Christians should agree to disagree."

"WE AFFIRM that the grace of God in Christ enables sinners to forsake transgender self-conceptions and by divine forbearance to accept the God-ordained link between one's biological sex and one's self-conception as male or female."
Click to expand...

A response from The House for All Sinners and Saints, a Lutheran (Evangelical Lutheran Church in America) congregation led by outspoken pastor Nadia Bolz-Weber.

The Denver Statement
 
Thus men should inhumanely hate other men (and likewise with the opposing sects) ... and Roman Law prevails in a vague attempt at avarice ... may the red lady continue ... could be an overworked nun in fouled white dress ...

An private love affairs leave the socially true in a state of a'gape ... astounded at what Christians can accomplish with great powers ... further corruption?

Do not tell of this in clear language or the mortal gods will get you for countering their lies ... altruism is denied ...
 
BetteTheRed said:
Nice response. Very well done. I particularly like "WE DENY that God is a boy and has actual arms."
Click to expand...

If I ever get to spend time in Denver again, I want to go to this church. I've read Bolz-Weber's blog and posts on FB and heard her interviewed (forget if it was CBC's Tapestry or NPR's On Being) and she impresses in so many ways. And the fact that she is ELCA and seems to get away with a fairly radical outlook on matters like sexuality and gender identity reflects well on them, I think, though I think the fact that her faith seems fairly strong (vs. Vosper's atheism) may play a role in that acceptance.
 
Strength ... power is the thing for the corruption of creative nature ... an ancient attribute of mankind now mostly lost?

Well except for the 10% as Minos ... a minor thing drive into partisan form in the myths?

Even the Bible speaks of dark formless attributes of that which is out-there ... Utopia beyond us?
 
A rather more blunt reaction from a gay UU.

An Open Letter to the Closeted Gay Men Who Helped Draft the Nashville Statement - Quest for Meaning

I don't really buy into the "homophobes are all closeted gays" and "transphobes are closeted trans" arguments myself, BTW. Some likely are, to be sure, but I think many of them are really just people frightened and angered by change and difference. The same sort of people who are racist and Islamophobic and anti-Semitic, and so on, IOW. No one ever suggests that racists are closet Blacks.
 
Jae said:
A group of evangelicals have just released Nashville Statement

A few statements from it...

"WE DENY that adopting a homosexual or transgender self-conception is consistent with God's holy purposes in creation and redemption."

"WE AFFIRM that it is sinful to approve of homosexual immorality or transgenderism and that such approval constitutes an essential departure from Christian faithfulness and witness."

"WE DENY that the approval of homosexual immorality or transgenderism is a matter of moral indifference about which otherwise faithful Christians should agree to disagree."

"WE AFFIRM that the grace of God in Christ enables sinners to forsake transgender self-conceptions and by divine forbearance to accept the God-ordained link between one's biological sex and one's self-conception as male or female."
Click to expand...
Seems there is an "evangelical" response.....
 
Jae said:
Actually, no, there is no single evangelical response.
Click to expand...
Similar to how there is no single transgender response...
So many different povs, worldviews, cultures, social norms...
Welcome to the world where everyone gets a voice...and potential minions :3
 
Jae said:
Actually, no, there is no single evangelical response.
Click to expand...
In my opinion the Nashville Manifesto is a very good summation of the evangelical position.
Of course this does not include "all" evangelicals.
What is your position on this?
Do you agree with Articles as presented?
This is a very clear question ...... may I have a clear response please?
 
RitaTG said:
What is your position on this?
Do you agree with Articles as presented?
This is a very clear question ...... may I have a clear response please?
Click to expand...

The thing is RitaTG, I feel that no answer I give you will completely satisfy you. I've tried to give clear responses in the past and, to the best of my memory, you've never found them so. Suffice it to say that I will not sign the document. I feel there's something profoundly wrong with a group of evangelicals (many of whom I have deep respect for), getting together and publishing a document about others when they could be spending more time speaking with those same others. There needs to be less finger-pointing and more dialogue. That answer won't satisfy you, I realize.
 
Jae said:
The thing is RitaTG, I feel that no answer I give you will completely satisfy you. I've tried to give clear responses in the past and, to the best of my memory, you've never found them so. Suffice it to say that I will not sign the document. I feel there's something profoundly wrong with a group of evangelicals (many of whom I have deep respect for), getting together and publishing a document about others when they could be spending more time speaking with those same others. There needs to be less finger-pointing and more dialogue. That answer won't satisfy you, I realize.
Click to expand...
Although this answer is not what I asked for it is perhaps one of your better responses.
This is the closest you have come to making a stand!
Thank you for this much.
 
There are now several competing statements that I am aware of Nashville, Denver, Nazareth are the ones I recall immediately. Thought I saw a fourth one this morning but as it was allegedly based on the Barmen Declaration it may be something other. Perhaps a thread comparing these three would help to avoid derailing conversation here?
 
Barmen Declaration? Should we bar men from heaven due to their tendency for isolationism and elimination?

Then we could be pistis Sophia ... and gone too ...
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top