The Gospel of Mark

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What was the object? And why the gap between them? In Matthew's gospel, Jesus curses the tree and it withers immediately. Seems your 'exposition' would fit better there. Why is the story different in Mark's gospel? Why the delay in the withering?
 
Redbaron said:
It always puzzled me that Jesus was surprised to find no figs, 'since it was not the season for figs'. Why would he put a curse on the poor tree that couldn't help it?
Also, if he could have turned stones to bread, could he not, if he were that hungry, turned twigs to figs?


unsafe says -----your trying to make worldly sense out of a Spiritual Meaning here ---it doesn't work ------

The Fig Tree was often used to symbolize Israel and there state ------here in this passage He sees there are no Figs on the tree which signifies doom for the church because they refused to believe in who Jesus was and they were more interested in their own rules and traditions then they were in being saved ---the figs usually appear before the leaves and the leaves were there but no fruit -------so He cursed the tree ------

So how did He Curse the Tree ?------this is so important for us today ------- He spoke negative words to the Tree ------How did God Create this world -----He spoke Faith filled words ------He said and then He saw what He said ---Jesus did the Same ---He spoke negative words and then He saw what He spoke ------ We are all made in God's image ------Word we speak matter and we can create what we speak -----You Curse a person by speaking negative words against them ------You encourage a person by speaking positive words to them -----

unsafe says ----then Jesus clears the temple of the money changers -----this also shows the spiritual condition of Israel -----they were making a mockery of the House of God and allowing sinful action to take place outside their most Holies of Holies ------and Jesus was showing His displeasure with them using Righteous Anger ------

So with the 2 events the cursing of the tree and the clearing out of the money changers He was really denouncing Israel as a nation and showing them to be unfruitful Christians ------


All credit belongs to the Holy Spirit for this post --------
 
Unworldly ... as unsafe can make it ... all alternates are essentially wrong and decomposed ...

Thus real world is wasted ... all that is left is a strange essence ... latent process?
 
Partly. How do you explain the miraculous acts of Jesus while he dwelt among us as a human?

I think perhaps my definition of a miracle is a bit different than many. To me miracle is something unexpected, difficult to explain, and not predicted.
the fact that the poor had the gospel preached to them is listed among the miracles attributed to Jesus.

Some miracle stories and community Jesus may have been exaggerations. The story of the loaves and fishes for instance – as I stated earlier 5000+ is a lot of people; maybe it was as few as 500 or 1000, and that still makes a big crowd. And I consider the possibility that the story is more about sharing, and that when people open their hearts to share with one another, they find they have an abundance. The miracle is in the presence of Jesus people did open their hearts.

Some might just depend on a word being mistranslated. I don't read Greek or Hebrew but might it be possible that the same word might be translated as 'on' 'by' or 'in.'
Perhaps Jesus was walking by the water, or in the shallow water, when the disciples spotted him and alter their course so that he could reach their boat. One mistranslation could have been copied many times.

Jesus calming the sea. A little squall can blow up quickly and out in a boat can seem a frightening storm. People might get frightened in their panic spread that when Jesus remains calm they also calmed down and the squall ends as quickly as it blew up.

The healing stories – I don't tried to explain them all, but I do understand that healing does not mean curing. A person can be healed when they realize they are loved as they are, even if their body is not perfect. I think it is in the book of Luke that Jesus healed the bend over woman by affirming her and reminding her and those present that she is a daughter of Abraham – the value person. And she stands up straight.
 
That's never been my understanding paradox3. Where in the synoptic gospels does it state as such?
It is not specifically stated but Passover only occurs once in each of the synoptic gospels. John's gospel has Passover occurring twice and it is mentioned a third time.

We may not know for sure but the length of His ministry is a widely acceptance difference between the synoptic gospels and John. My edition of the NRSV says in its introduction to the gospels:

"Much of modern biblical scholarship is based on the assumption that Matthew and Luke used Mark as a basic source and outline. The Gospel of John is entirely different from the other three. It does not follow the same outline, has a three-year ministry for Jesus instead of one year, and contains long reflections about the meaning of Jesus instead of short sayings and parables." The Holy Bible: New Revised Standard Version, Thomas Nelson Publishers, 1989.

So it seems to be a fairly mainstream idea. However, googling shows me that not all scholars support it. Some say we can only state confidently than Jesus' ministry was between one and three years.
 
It always puzzled me that Jesus was surprised to find no figs, 'since it was not the season for figs'. Why would he put a curse on the poor tree that couldn't help it?
Also, if he could have turned stones to bread, could he not, if he were that hungry, turned twigs to figs?

As I've shared - he had an object lesson in mind.

Produce fruit out of season or become firewood?

It's amazing how much Christianity can look like organized crime.
 
Seeler ----your quote ------ The healing stories – I don't tried to explain them all, but I do understand that healing does not mean curing. A person can be healed when they realize they are loved as they are, even if their body is not perfect. I think it is in the book of Luke that Jesus healed the bend over woman by affirming her and reminding her and those present that she is a daughter of Abraham – the value person. And she stands up straight.


This is that scripture ---nothing here about being a daughter of Abraham that I see ----her infirmity was caused by an evil spirit -----again putting our own spin on God's word ------

unsafe posting Luke here ------

Luke 13:10-17 (EXB)
Jesus Heals on the Sabbath
10 Jesus was teaching in one of the synagogues on the Sabbath day. 11 A woman was there who, for eighteen years, had an evil spirit in her that made her ·crippled [disabled]. Her back was always bent; she could not stand up straight.

12 When Jesus saw her, he called her over and said, “Woman, you are ·free [released; set free] from your ·sickness [disability].”

13 Jesus ·put [laid] his hands on her, and immediately she was able to stand up straight and began ·praising [giving glory to] God.
 
What was the object? And why the gap between them? In Matthew's gospel, Jesus curses the tree and it withers immediately. Seems your 'exposition' would fit better there. Why is the story different in Mark's gospel? Why the delay in the withering?
Maybe the story got embellished by Matthew for effect. The tree withering immediately is more dramatic than finding it withered the next day.

Jesus states that faith can wither fig trees and move mountains so maybe Jesus is going for a little dramatic effect himself. :)
 
paradox3 ----your quote ---- So it seems to be a fairly mainstream idea. However, googling shows me that not all scholars support it. Some say we can only state confidently than Jesus' ministry was between one and three years.


unsafe posting what Got Questions says -------it seems it could have been 3and one half years also -----so who knows for sue ??????

unsafe says to be fair --I don't think you can separate John's Gospel from the time line of His Ministry -cause John gives in formation on this subject -----this being one from the article below ------According to John’s Gospel, Jesus attended at least three annual Feasts of Passover through the course of His ministry


https://www.gotquestions.org/length-Jesus-ministry.htmlfor sure

Question: "How long was Jesus' ministry?"

Answer:
According to Luke 3:1, John the Baptist began his ministry in the 15th year of Tiberius Caesar’s reign. Tiberius was appointed as co-regent with Augustus in AD 11, and 15 years later would be AD 26. Jesus began His ministry shortly thereafter at approximately the age of thirty (Luke 3:23). This gives us a basis upon which we can approximate what year Jesus began His public ministry: around AD 26. As for the end of His ministry, we know that it culminated with His crucifixion, resurrection, and ascension.

According to John’s Gospel, Jesus attended at least three annual Feasts of Passover through the course of His ministry: one in John 2:13, another in 6:4, and then the Passover of His crucifixion in 11:55–57. Just based on that information, Jesus’ ministry lasted 2 years, at the very least.

Because of the amount of things that Jesus accomplished and the places He traveled during His ministry, many scholars believe there was another Passover, not mentioned in the Gospels, which fell between the Passovers of John 2 and John 6. This would lengthen Jesus’ ministry to at least 3 years.

We can add more time because of all that took place before the first Passover of Jesus’ ministry in John 2. By the time of that first Passover (in the spring of 27), Jesus had already traveled from the area of the Jordan to Cana to Capernaum to Jerusalem. He had been baptized by John (Matthew 3:13–17), been tempted in the wilderness (Matthew 4:1–2), began His preaching ministry (Matthew 4:17), called His first disciples (John 1:35–51), performed His first miracle (John 2:1–11), and made a trip to Capernaum with His family (John 2:12). All this would have taken several months, at least.

Add to that the 40 days between Jesus’ resurrection and His ascension (Acts 1:3), and we have a total length of Jesus’ earthly ministry. From His baptism to His ascension, the late summer of 26 to the spring of 30, we have approximately 3½ years.

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Second article on this
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What was the length of Jesus' public ministry?


What was the length of Jesus' public ministry?
The Bible does not tell us the exact number of days Jesus Christ served in public ministry. However, a close look at the chronological data revealed in the Gospels allows us to carefully reconstruct a timeline with a good degree of accuracy.

To begin, Luke noted that the ministry of John the Baptist began in the 15th year of Tiberius Caesar's reign, which was the year AD 26. Jesus began to minister shortly after this time at approximately the age of 30 (or perhaps "early 30s"; Luke 3:23). His crucifixion took place in either AD 30 or 33, indicating that His public ministry took place within the AD 26—33 timeframe.

More specifically, scholars note that if Jesus began His public ministry between mid to late AD 26 and died in the spring of AD 30, His ministry would have been a total of 3½ years (including His resurrection, 40 days of appearances, and ascension). Others who argue for the crucifixion taking place in AD 33 argue that Jesus did not begin His ministry until AD 29, calculating the starting date of Tiberius Caesar's reign based upon the death of his predecessor Augustus Caesar in AD 14, meaning that the ministry of John the Baptist began in AD 29. In either case, a public ministry of about 3½ years is still the conclusion.

Further evidence for this length of time can also be found in the Jewish festivals. In John's Gospel, Jesus attended at least three annual Passover feasts (John 2:13; 6:4; 11:55-57). At the shortest, His ministry would have been 2½ years. If one additional Passover occurred during this time, sometime between John 2 and 6, the information regarding 3½ years fits nicely.

In fact, this unmentioned Passover likely took place prior to the three occasions mentioned in John. By the time of the first Passover mentioned in John 2:13, Jesus had already been baptized, spent 40 days being tempted in the wilderness, had started preaching in various towns and villages (Matthew 4:17), selected His first followers (John 1:35-51), performed His first miracle at Cana in Galilee (John 2:1-11), and traveled to Capernaum north of the Sea of Galilee (John 2:12). These efforts would have covered the course of several months, adding enough time to easily fit the 3½ years mentioned above.

Based on this information, the public ministry of Jesus holds profound implications. In only about 1,200 days, Jesus gathered a small group of followers, taught crowds in a variety of towns, performed miracles, healed diseased, cast out evil spirits, and became such a "threat" to the Jewish religious leaders that they sought to put Him to death. After His resurrection, Jesus appeared to many people over 40 days, preparing His followers to continue His mission to take the good news to "all nations" (Matthew 28:18-20) until His return.
 
Thoughts on Mark 11:1-7...

Jesus had reached Bethany, a town located on the Mount of Olives' southeastern slope 1.25 miles from Jerusalem.

Beyond the town, on its east side, the road descends into the Jordan Valley.

Next to it was a village called Bethphage. Jesus left Bethany on Sunday.

In the town, he sent two missionaries to the village to find a colt tied that'd never been sat on. This colt they should untie and then lead it to Jesus.

If the animal's owner objected to this proceeding, they were to tell the owner, "Jesus needs it."

Jesus didn't abuse his power. He promised, by his missionaries, that the foal would be returned without delay, after he'd used it.

This account highlights Jesus' lowliness at his entry: on a borrowed colt, which he has promised to return at once, He rides into Jerusalem.

The missionaries carried out Jesus' instructions.

They found the colt, which they proceeded to unloose.

When some men objected, the missionaries used the words which Jesus had taught them.

And so the men gave them leave to lead the colt off.

And so they brought the animal to Jesus, throwing their cloaks upon it for a saddle, so that Jesus could sit upon the colt.
 
Summary: Mark 12: 1 - 44

1. The parable of the wicked tenants

2. Giving to the emperor the things that are the emperor's and to God the things that are God's.

3. The Sadducees challenge Jesus about resurrection. Jesus responds that they know neither the scriptures nor the power of God. In resurrection the dead will neither marry nor be given in marriage but be like the angels in heaven. God is God of the living, not the dead.

4. One of the scribes asks, what is the greatest commandment of all? Jesus responds the first is to love God with all your heart, soul and mind. The second is to love your neighbour as yourself. The scribe understands that these commandments are more important than burnt offerings and sacrifices. Jesus sees the scribe answers wisely and tells him he is not far from the kingdom of God.

5. The question about how the Messiah can be David's son when David calls him Lord. The crowd is pleased with Jesus.

6. Jesus advises to beware the scribes. They say long prayers for the sake of appearance, take the best seats in the synagogues and "devour widow's houses."

7. Jesus praises the poor widow who gives all she has to the treasury. Many rich people put in large sums and Jesus notes they are giving from their abundance.
 
Reflection: Mark 12: 1 - 44

The scribes and Pharisees continue to challenge Jesus and He speaks to their hypocrisy. Surprisingly, one of the scribes gives a wise answer when Jesus states the Great Commandment.

Jesus praised the poor woman who gave all she had, seeing her gift as more valuable than that the gifts given from the abundance of the rich.

In a book by a Jewish author (sorry, I don't remember which book or author) I read that this story demonstrates a key difference between Judaism and Christianity. While we tend to think like Jesus and laud the woman who gives her widow's mite, this author points out that the larger donation helps the poor more.

What is the nature of the angels described in this chapter? Why does Jesus say of God, "He is God not of the dead but of the living?"
 
Thoughts on Mark 11:1-7...

Jesus had reached Bethany, a town located on the Mount of Olives' southeastern slope 1.25 miles from Jerusalem.

Beyond the town, on its east side, the road descends into the Jordan Valley.

Next to it was a village called Bethphage. Jesus left Bethany on Sunday.

In the town, he sent two missionaries to the village to find a colt tied that'd never been sat on. This colt they should untie and then lead it to Jesus.

If the animal's owner objected to this proceeding, they were to tell the owner, "Jesus needs it."

Jesus didn't abuse his power. He promised, by his missionaries, that the foal would be returned without delay, after he'd used it.

This account highlights Jesus' lowliness at his entry: on a borrowed colt, which he has promised to return at once, He rides into Jerusalem.

The missionaries carried out Jesus' instructions.

They found the colt, which they proceeded to unloose.

When some men objected, the missionaries used the words which Jesus had taught them.

And so the men gave them leave to lead the colt off.

And so they brought the animal to Jesus, throwing their cloaks upon it for a saddle, so that Jesus could sit upon the colt.

Thoughts on Mark 11:8-11...

Meanwhile the news that Jesus was coming to the city had spread in Jerusalem.

Excited, pilgrims from Palestine came from the city to meet him. Those that came early fell in behind him; those that came later went ahead of him; these spread their cloaks on the way.

Others strewed tree branches and palm branches on the way. The people sang from the Hallel. The carrying of the branches, the exultation, the Hosanna's singing, were the Feast of Tabernacles' customs.

The people here confessed Jesus as David's Son, Israel's Messiah, whose kingdom was to be established.

The Spirit had taken hold of the masses. God wanted to point forward to the day when all will be obliged to confess that Jesus is God.

Jesus' entry into Jerusalem, as it is related in the gospels, is a type of the advent of Jesus into his missionaries' hearts, which continues throughout the NT's time.

Jesus still comes by his Spirit, through his grace's means. He still lives in his Church and brings to his subjects the benefits which he has earned through his suffering.

When Jesus reached Jerusalem, he went up to the Temple. He spent the rest of the afternoon looking around. Then he went out with the 12 to Bethany, where he lodged.
 
Thoughts on Mark 12:35-37...

The Jews' sects and organizations had now accused Jesus of things and he had prevailed.

Now he asked, "Whose Son is Christ?" The answer to this question has become the principle to determine a person's faith. Jesus asks, "With what right do the scribes call Christ David's Son?"

The designation "David's Son" for Messiah was so common in that day that the two names were used interchangeably (see for example Mt. 1:1).

And the scribes were right in calling the Messiah thus, for he was David's descendant (2 Sm. 7:12-16).

But it was also true what David said, calling the Messiah God (Ps. 110). God had told David's Lord, "Sit on my right hand till I vanquish your enemies." Christ was here placed on an equality with God.

Now the question was how to reconcile the two statements: David's Lord, yet David's Son. Jesus states that it was the Spirit that inspired David to write these words as he did.

David's descendant is, simultaneously, true God, now sitting at God's right hand, also according to his human nature. Through him alone, we hope to be saved.

The multitude heard him. And many a soul may, in these last days, be given faith in the Savior.
 
When we get to Luke, I think I will start a new thread for each chapter.

The conversation might be easier to follow that way.
 
Will such individual string cause loss of the secular strings and prevent gathering anything from the integral ... thus sects continue! Function of use'n ... edited to fusion! This requires collective body, mind and spirit ... an unusual thing ... Eire case!

Tis like psyche ... practically unseen! Strange eh!
 
Thoughts on Mark 12:24-27...

Jesus says, in effect, "Don't you see how foolish you are in your belief and discussion? Your story's point's based upon a wrong supposition."

The Sadducees and all that follow them in similar arguments know neither the Scriptures nor God.

The Bible's enemies still today presume to judge it. Without knowing God, they make futile attempts to make matters beyond their understanding clear to themselves and to others by changeable theories.

Marrying and giving in marriage will no longer be practiced after the resurrection. Physical needs will then be ended. Missionaries will be sexless. There'll be no need of the terms husband and wife.

Jesus gives the Sadducees a lesson also concerning the resurrection of the dead.

In speaking to Moses at the burning bush, God called himself Abraham's God, Isaac's God, Jacob's God.

Jesus tells the Sadducees, the fact that God so designates himself, shows that these men were spiritually alive. God's the God of the living only.

This is true of missionaries. All, to whom Jesus is God, live unto God, even when they've physically died. To them, death's a sleep. God considers them as living.

And so God will awaken the dead that have fallen asleep in him to a new life in eternity.
 
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