The Gospel of Mark

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Jae said:
Perhaps it is simply the case that they didn't understand, that they did jockey for position, that they didn't have enough faith.
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Could we not say the same about ourselves and other present day disciples? Are we not on a similar journey to the twelve?

And as the twelve were called to follow Him, are we not called to be the church?

This I believe.
 
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paradox3 said:
Could we not say the same about ourselves and other present day disciples? Are we not on a similar journey to the twelve?

And as the twelve were called to follow Him, are we not we are called to be the church?

This I believe.
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Hopefully we are more like the missionaries were after Pentecost. We now have the Spirit of God indwelling us to guide us.
 
Jae said:
Hopefully we are more like the missionaries were after Pentecost. We now have the Spirit of God indwelling us to guide us.
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I am getting ahead of myself again, but do we have evidence in scripture that the missionaries after Pentecost behaved differently than the twelve in the gospels?

When we get to the early church & its expansion, there is plenty of rebuking in the epistles.
 
Jae said:
Perhaps it is simply the case that they didn't understand, that they did jockey for position, that they didn't have enough faith.
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Or not enough information, intelligence or knowledge about the energy of light ... that'd be lambda in Greek and something on the lam in Hebrew as beyond our understanding in a lost linguistic trend ...

Some science of observation beyond blind faith may be of assistance. Mortal god-patricians would say not ... the common people shouldn't know and thus the powers could cultivate them into disposable civilizations ... guđđ đ*ochman ... abstract that!

Jockeying is speculated to be good in the mortal god game ... when the essence of god is something else again ... sort of like a wyrd wind ... whirred?

Did not a mortal god representative in the form of James administer the inscription of the essence of protocol as neutered?

Perhaps right off the top of aman without much there due to avarice?

Emotional states can be accused of doing a man in ... it does allow a break in the stress that is mortal life ... something get over and done with as a curse!
 
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Redbaron said:
Interesting to note in v. 18 Jesus seems to be drawing a distinction between himself and God. (Why do you call me good? None is good except God alone.) Gives one cause to ponder, when it comes to Jesus' divinity, and how it was (or wasn't) evident in passages like this.
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I've wondered the same thing. It seems to me that Jesus is saying that he does not have divine powers, like God has. Being fully human at that time he has put aside his divinity and has human limitations. Only God is "good" (divine, all-knowing, all loving, perfect).
 
Seeler said:
I've wondered the same thing. It seems to me that Jesus is saying that he does not have divine powers, like God has. Being fully human at that time he has put aside his divinity and has human limitations. Only God is "good" (divine, all-knowing, all loving, perfect).
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Do you think the dual nature of Jesus means He speaks and acts from only one side of His nature at any given time?
 
paradox3 said:
Are you suggesting the dual natures of Jesus are intertwined? That each one is always present?
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Good God a stunned person as I couldn't suggest such interest ... interesting being part of a Chinese curse ... kind of out of the rational leagues?Undesirables ... untouched strange crap ... curiosity and curated! Out by a stroke of fear of knowledge as unenlightened ...
 
paradox3 said:
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paradox3 said:
Do you think the dual nature of Jesus means He speaks and acts from only one side of His nature at any given time?
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I find it very difficult to explain what I believe is meant by the Trinity. I believe in the wholeness and fullness of God I believe that he relates that God relates to us through the Spirit which surrounds us and dwells within us. I believe that Jesus was filled with the Spirit of God, that during his life on earth as one of the epistles says he put aside his divine powers and dwelt among us – fully human. Only after his crucifixion did his followers looked back and realize that the Spirit had dwelt within the 12 among them sharing their lives. This is difficult to put into words. I believe then Jesus was fully human, with human limitations, human temptations – that he had human emotions, that he felt joy, happiness, fatigue, discouragement, loneliness just as we do. In this way he identified with other humans and we identify with him.
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Does that answer your question?
 
paradox3 said:
Moses would represent the Law and Elijah the Prophets.

I would like to learn more about the prophet Elijah. John the Baptist is said to be his successor and there is still a place set for Elijah at Passover seders, I believe. Elijah ascended into Heaven and is expected to return in Jewish thinking.

In Mark 9 Jesus says that Elijah has already returned and "they did to him whatever they pleased."

Is Jesus equating Elijah with John the Baptist, I wonder? John the Baptist has been beheaded in prison at this point in the narrative.
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In the book of Proverbs we notice that a three fold cord is not easily broken. In Moses we have Law. In Elijah we have Prophecy. In Jesus we have Wisdom. These are the three basis strands of Hebrew scripture. Can it be that these three rightly related offer us the key to human well being in nature?
 
BetteTheRed ----your quote ----- And why does Mark seek so often to put the disciples in a poor light? What about this early community found value in the disciples - those who were left behind as keepers of the Wisdom after Jesus died - being advertised as constantly not understanding, jockeying for position, not having enough faith, etc.

unsafe says -----Mark is showing an important thing here ------The Disciples were mere humans they had that Sin Nature Old Man still even though they were followers of Jesus they really didn't fully understand the Spiritual Nature of Humility -----Climbing down the Ladder and being Low on the rung is very --very hard to maintain ----that is not how the Human Nature works and for the Disciples it was no different --So Mark is showing us how hard it is to remain low on the rung of the Ladder without total connection and submission to God in a constant matter ----Ego screams out every chance it gets to ----Feed Me -----and we have to ignore ego and lay self down ------very difficult to accomplish without the Grace of God to call on -----

It is about where our faith truly is ----is it in ego or Christ --True Faith will always

Using the word I in a self serving way is seeing Ego ------I went and helped my neighbour when others stood by ------Glory goes to self --self is elevated ----


A true Christian says ---through the guidance and prompting of the Holy Spirit guiding me my neighbour was helped ---God gets the Glory not the person -----lowering self ----
 
unsafe Finishing this sentence in above post ------True Faith will always give God the Glory in all we are called to do for others -----
 
. paradox3 ---your quote -----A blind man, Bartimaeus, requests healing from Jesus. Jesus makes him well, stressing that the man's faith is respFaith in Jesus that he onsible.

unsafe says ----this again shows right believing causes right action ----right action causes right results -------Faith without right action is Dead Faith and is non productive ----Faith that is active gets results -----

Bartimaeus was begging on the roadside when he heard Jesus was there ----verse 47 ---he began to shout, “Jesus, Son of David, have mercy on me!”
48 Many rebuked him and told him to be quiet, but he shouted all the more, “Son of David, have mercy on me!”

unsafe says ----so we see here when he was told to keep quiet he didn't and shouted all the more ------So he didn't listen to the crowd ---if he had of and kept quiet he would not have been healed ----this shows his Faith pushed him on till he got Jesus attention ------He wanted to be Healed and he had Faith in Jesus that Jesus could and would heal him -----and with that Faith in Jesus to make him well --He was healed ------

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To day is no different ----Jesus took all sickness and disease with him on the cross People -----Healing for all believers is already in place -----Jesus took stripes on His Back and by His Stripes we ARE Healed -----Grace has made Healing available for Believers --and by our Faith in right believing we can put that right believing into action by speaking and shouting out ---I am Healed --and we get the right results ------ Believe with no doubting and see the results ----Bartimaeus did just that believed without a doubt Jesus could heal him and he was healed ---


unsafe posting here from Isaiah ---Matthew and 1Peter ---relevant to healing

Isaiah 53 (AMPC)
53 Who has believed (trusted in, relied upon, and clung to) our message [of that which was revealed to us]? And to whom has the arm of the Lord been disclosed?

2 For [the Servant of God] grew up before Him like a tender plant, and like a root out of dry ground; He has no form or comeliness [royal, kingly pomp], that we should look at Him, and no beauty that we should desire Him.

3 He was despised and rejected and forsaken by men, a Man of sorrows and pains, and acquainted with grief and sickness; and like One from Whom men hide their faces He was despised, and we did not appreciate His worth or have any esteem for Him.

4 Surely He has borne our griefs (sicknesses, weaknesses, and distresses) and carried our sorrows and pains [of punishment], yet we [ignorantly] considered Him stricken, smitten, and afflicted by God [as if with leprosy].B)'>

5 But He was wounded for our transgressions,
He was bruised for our guilt and iniquities;
the chastisement [needful to obtain] peace and well-being for us was upon Him, and with the stripes [that wounded] Him we are healed and made whole.

6 All we like sheep have gone astray, we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord has made to light upon Him the guilt and iniquity of us all.



Matthew 8:17 (ESV)
17 A)'>This was to fulfill what was spoken by the prophet Isaiah: B)'>“He took our illnesses and bore our diseases.”



1 Peter 2:24 (ESV)
24 A)'>He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, that we B)'>might die to sin and C)'>live to righteousness. D)'>By his wounds you have been healed.
 
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