Strip Clubs

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

@Kimmio what do you mean by monkey brains? You also make it sound as though all strippers have fake body parts. I think strippers are more diverse than you seem to think.

Lol. Sorry...was that discriminatory against monkeys? I mean the purely instinctual sexual aspect of an early part our brains before our brains evolved higher functions - called the amygdala - otherwise known as our "reptilian brains".

I think I've possibly met more strippers outside of the club context than you have because my good friend was one. Of course they don't all have fake body parts but it is more encouraged there than in other workplaces (where such a suggestion would amount to harassment). Also, I was at my friends home while she and some co-workers were discussing a recent staff meeting involving a discussion about to shave or not to shave a particular part. It was a management decision not a choice. I think that's demeaning and subtly can become deeply damaging.

 

[revsdd]

@Kimmio what do you mean by monkey brains? You also make it sound as though all strippers have fake body parts. I think strippers are more diverse than you seem to think.

Men do have different tastes in women. I doubt that all strippers look exactly the same or have the same body type. From a strictly business perspective that wouldn't make sense. You'd want to appeal to as diverse a clientele as possible, wouldn't you?

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

Men do have different tastes in women. I doubt that all strippers look exactly the same or have the same body type. From a strictly business perspective that wouldn't make sense. You'd want to appeal to as diverse a clientele as possible, wouldn't you?

No they don't look exactly the same but they share a workplace culture that promotes a particular look or quality as "sexy". It would be interesting to take a look around the world at what particular traits are considered "sexy" in different cultures, rather than what is manufactured by western consumer culture. For instance, I happen to know from a friend who married a Tongan and showed me photos of Tonga - which is a small place - that very large women are considered sexy.

 

[revjohn]

That's also opinion. I am not sure that would - eh-hem - "stand up" in court.

I'm pretty sure it goes beyond mere opinion.

I'm sure you'd agree that neither pheromones or blood flow to the sex organs are excuses for no self control, or for ignorance towards someone's human rights.

I would. I'm unsure why that needs to be part of my response to Pr. Jae. I was responding to Pr. Jae's assertion that excitement is a matter of choice.

If excitement was a matter of voluntary response then it would be a matter of choice. Since excitement also happens involuntarily it isn't necessarily a matter of choice.

 

[Jaebius]

There's got to be some objective measurement, however, Jae. If a stripper was so absolutely desire-killing that the customers left in droves, surely the management can do something.

People self-select out of occupations all the time. It was not in my destiny to be a cocktail waitress, for instance. I tried it and it was hilariously unsuccessful.

(Thing is Bette - I feel the stripper can neither be credited for inducing excitement - nor faulted for failing to do so. Dancing is - of course - something which must be judged subjectively. That's why it's not a sport.)

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

@revjohn just giving my opinion on response to pheromones. It is a choice of how or whether to respond to it. We can tame those instincts and often reasonably need to for socially appropriate reasons. Buddhists work at this through meditation, for example.

Also, to support Jae's opinion, the imagination is powerful - and something that evolved in humans. So, excitement happens both ways. The question is whether or not excitement as a learned voluntary behaviour or as an automatic unanalyzed response to impulse is more or less harmful to societal and human rights concerns.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

I think the sex industry manipulates the human tendency toward impulse. That's why I earlier said it looks to me like a mass crack addiction.

 

[Delightful Life]

rim shot!

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

An interesting article on how marketers use psychological manipulation to sell sex...from a marketing source.

http://psychologyformarketers.com/sex-and-marketing/

 

[Pinga]

It does seem with the references to monkey brains, and other comments regarding poll dancing, imply a general disregard for the skills (natural and learned) of the exotic dancer.

I hope that we can keep it respectful to them, for if we can't, how can we ever expect anyone else to?

 

[Jaebius]

Men do have different tastes in women.

(That's true. For example - I'm only attracted to Asian women.)

 

[Mendalla]

(That's true. For example - I'm only attracted to Asian women.)

Really? I married an Asian but I'm actually attracted to a pretty wide variety (in size, in appearance, in ethnicity, and so on) of women.

 

[Delightful Life]

(side note -- Jae, have you ever tried the Korean wine Ttongsul?)

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

It does seem with the references to monkey brains, and other comments regarding poll dancing, imply a general disregard for the skills (natural and learned) of the exotic dancer.

I hope that we can keep it respectful to them, for if we can't, how can we ever expect anyone else to?

Pinga, would saying that not all restaurant kitchen staff need culinary skills for their jobs because some of them just make fast food be insulting to them?

My reference to humans using "monkey brains" ( commonly known as reptilian brains or the amygdala) was universal - not applicable to just strippers. It was applicable to all of us and how we are influenced by marketing psychology appealing to the impulse centres of our brains to sell sex in the same way as crack cocaine does. And I asked if that was a priority over human rights.

 

[Pinga]

You dismiss that element of our humanity as lesser.

That element you dismiss as lesser is what contributes to the ongoing existence of our species.

Again, I find the lack of respect disheartening.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

Before this gets personal can we get back to referencing employment law, please?

 

[Pinga]

I'm sorry, what part of that post was personal?

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

"Your lack of respect..."

"Your disregard..."

Actually I don't have a lack of respect or disregard for reproductive rights at all. But that has nothing to do with whether or not the employment laws governing stripping reflect the universal human rights principle of inclusion established in employment law.

 

[Jaebius]

Really? I married an Asian but I'm actually attracted to a pretty wide variety (in size, in appearance, in ethnicity, and so on) of women.

Yes - really. Always been that way.

 

[Jaebius]

(side note -- Jae, have you ever tried the Korean wine Ttongsul?)

No. The strongest Korean beverage I've tried is 밀키스