Serious post on r/unitedchurchofcanada

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Serious Post on the UCCAN Church showing it Dropped the true Christ--ian thinking and Preaching in to bring in a New way of thinking and Preaching to please the New Age coming up--So Ditched Christ theology which is God centered ------and went to Pleasing People and entertaining the world's Society -----Worldly Centered


Read all this for yourselves ---just posted some of it ------

https://ca.thegospelcoalition.org/article/the-united-church-of-canada-what-you-need-to-know/

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The United Church of Canada: What You Need to Know​

April 23, 2018 | Kevin Flatt

Fred C. Würtele [Public domain], via Wikimedia Commons

What kind of a church has an atheist pastor?

In today’s United Church, requiring ministers to believe in God is a controversial idea.

Formation​

The United Church was formed in 1925 by the merger of two large Canadian denominations, the Methodists and the Presbyterians, as well as the much smaller Congregationalists. Although only two-thirds of the Presbyterians joined the union (the rest carried on as the Presbyterian Church in Canada), the United Church still began its life as the largest Protestant church in Canada.

The Early Decades​

Nevertheless, in its early decades the United Church still presented a broadly evangelical face to the world. From the 1930s through the 1950s, it carried forward evangelical causes of the nineteenth century, such as mass revivalism campaigns. A spirituality centred on “decisions for Christ” continued to be important to many church leaders, even those who no longer believed in the doctrines that had previously underpinned such phrases. As late as the 1950s, for instance, many official bodies and leaders endorsed Billy Graham’s evangelistic campaigns in Canada.

The Turbulent Sixties​

Clearly, something had to give. Practices like mass evangelism made sense because they assumed a certain kind of theology—theology United Church leaders had left behind. The events of the 1960s resolved that tension, decisively, in favour of liberalism.

The Long Decline​

From the standpoint of the Sixties, this all seemed like a plausible strategy: get rid of old thinking, embrace the world’s progressive causes, and you’ll remain relevant.

Stay stuck in your ways, and you’ll be left behind by a rapidly changing society.

Plausible, but wrong. In one of the great ironies of Christian history, churches that followed this strategy lost both members and influence, while churches that took the opposite tack gained both.

The strategy adopted by the United Church made that road much more difficult.

On one side, it drove out many members and their families with evangelical convictions—people who were often highly committed churchgoers, givers, and volunteers, the backbone of local congregations. They left for Baptist and Pentecostal and other evangelical churches, many of which are today peppered with ex-United Church members.

On the other side, in speaking to lukewarm or skeptical members, the church was left without a compelling answer to the question—increasingly pressing after 1960—“why should I get my family out of bed to attend church every Sunday?” If the traditional core beliefs of Christianity were psychological metaphors at best and outright lies at worst, and if “the world” had the real answers, why go to church at all? The trickle of escaping evangelicals was thus joined by a large exodus of people who left church altogether.

THat is one interpretation. It has both merits and weaknesses as accounting for all the data.

 

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All Religions are doing the Same today there GodW ------they are preaching to appease the people Not God -------and God knows how many Atheists are preaching in the Pulpits today in any given man made religious Church ------

All Religions need to get back to Preaching Truth and stop sugarcoating and watering down Scripture to make People feel welcome in their Churches ---

Adding this ---Religions today are preaching Empty worldly Trust -----in my view

Jesus said this ----no holding back out of fear of offending people -----He was Blunt and to the Point ---and What He says here is the same today -----

So Preach that ------

 

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Here is is what the Man Made Catholic Religion Believes ----so they say ---

What do Catholics believe?​

What are the core beliefs of the Catholic faith?​

The core beliefs of the Catholic faith are found in the Nicene Creed. Here’s what it says:

I believe in one God, the Father almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all things visible and invisible.

I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Only Begotten Son of God, born of the Father before all ages.

I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son, who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified who has spoken through the prophets.

Who started the Catholic Church?​

We are the original Christian Church, which began when
Jesus himself when he said to the Apostle Peter, “You are the rock on which I will build my church. The gates of hell will not prevail against it.”

Every pope since then has been part of an unbroken line of succession since Peter, the first pope.


I say ------So here you see just How man can twist Scripture to suit their Human interpretation of what they are reading and Misuse the Scripture to say what they want people to believe ---through their own deception ----


This what they say here--- is False Doctrine -----Folks ------

We are the original Christian Church, which began when Jesus himself when he said to the Apostle Peter, “You are the rock on which I will build my church.


I say -----No where in the Bible in any of the 66 books does it say Jesus said to Peter --you are now the Rock on which my Catholic Church will be built -----


This is where the Word Catholic came from -----according to the Catholic Church --
St. Ignatius of Antioch who they say was a Disciple of John


Google says

There is no mention of St. Ignatius of Antioch or his relationship with the Apostle John anywhere in the Bible

It Is Not in Scripture

The New Testament timeline: The books of the New Testament were written in the first century, mostly concluding by or before the end of the first century AD, whereas Ignatius wrote his famous seven epistles around AD 110 while traveling to his martyrdom in Rome.

Silence in authentic letters: In his own genuine letters, Ignatius never explicitly states that he was a personal disciple or hearer of John the Apostle.


The Source of the Tradition

The belief that Ignatius was a disciple of John does not come from scripture, but from early church tradition and later historical writings:


I say
Here is another Twisted Deception of the Catholic Church that they pass on to people

Catholic Church says -------Every pope since then has been part of an unbroken line of succession since Peter, the first pope.

-----Nowhere in Scripture does it say Peter was the First Pope Folks -----

GotQuestions.org
https://www.gotquestions.org › Peter-first-pope


Jun 5, 2025 — Was Peter the first pope? The answer is “no.” Peter nowhere claims supremacy over the other apostles, and the New Testament does not demonstrate ...Read more


I say -------So you see already how Man made Religion makes up their own Twisted doctrine and passes it on to people who are ignorant of the real truth of what the Scripture is saying --

This is very dangerous Folks as eternal lives are at stake -----and the truth of the Scripture will set people free from the eternal 2nd death ------


From Christianity .com

What Do Catholics Actually Believe about Praying to Saints?​

the Catholic view, saints—those who have died with faith in Jesus Christ—can intercede for us.


I say -------False Doctrine --No where in scripture does it say to Pray to the Saints for anything -----yet they make up their own Doctrine and Preach it to the ignorant people sitting in the pews who depend on them to Preach Truth ---not a Different Doctrine ----


-----Jesus is the only one who can intercede for us ------and that is according to God's word ---by praying to the Saints your putting them ahead of Jesus Christ -----Not Good Folks -----

1 Timothy 2:​

5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus


The Catholics tell their Flock ----- Pray to Mary ----and many Catholic Churches has a huge Statute of Mary that they bow to ---Idolatry at its best ----

So why do they do it ----

Why Do Catholics Pray to Mary? | Catholic Answers

Non-Catholic Christians often ask why we pray to Mary when we can go directly to Jesus. Click here to see how Catholics can respond.

www.catholic.com

Question:​

Why we should pray to mother Mary?

Answer:​

Why Pray to Mary? Because Jesus has given us his Blessed Mother as our great spiritual mother (Rev.12:17), a heavenly advocate who intercedes for us.


I say ---so here they use Scripture to justify this ------and because of their ignorance of who the woman represents they seem to take it is Mary -----in my view

What is the meaning of Revelation 12:17?

What is the meaning of Revelation 12:17?
And the dragon was enraged at the woman

In Revelation 12:9 the “dragon” is clearly identified as Satan. His fury erupts because the “woman” (introduced in 12:1–6) has just been rescued by God (12:14–16).

The woman represents the covenant people through whom Messiah came

God’s preservation of the woman underscores His faithfulness to Israel even during intensified tribulation (Jeremiah 31:35–37; Romans 11:26–29).


I say ----The woman here is Israel --Not Mary and it is not saying that people should pray to Pray or Bow down to a Mary to intercedes for them ----


I say ----What does God hate about Man Made Religions with their man made traditions and feasts -----and their Intellectual Preaching ---that they are all Spiritually empty -----

Jesus is speaking about the Religious Leaders here -----

Matthew 15:8-9​

8 “‘These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.

9 They worship me in vain;
their teachings are merely human rules.

Matthew 15:8 Study Bible: 'These people honor me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

Study Bible
‘These people honor Me with their lips,
Jesus quotes Isaiah 29:13 to expose worship that preserves religious language while resisting God’s authority.

The Pharisees and scribes publicly professed devotion to the Lord, yet their elevation of human tradition above God’s command revealed the emptiness of their profession.

but their hearts are far from Me.

God seeks the inward allegiance of the whole person, not merely correct words or visible religious practice.

A heart far from God cannot be brought near by ceremony or tradition.

Jesus calls His hearers to the genuine devotion promised in the new covenant, where God writes His law upon the heart (Jeremiah 31:33).


Matthew 15:9 from Bible Hub study Bible ---

They worship Me in vain;

Worship becomes empty when ------outward religious activity is separated from faith, obedience, and reverence for God.

Jesus applies Isaiah 29:13 to religious leaders whose lips honored God while their hearts were governed by self-made traditions.

God seeks those who worship Him in spirit and truth, offering hearts yielded to His Word.


they teach as doctrine ----the precepts of men.’”

The Pharisees and scribes treated inherited oral traditions as binding authority, even when those traditions obscured or contradicted God’s commands.

Jesus exposed the danger of allowing religious customs, however established, to govern the conscience in place of divine revelation.

God’s people must test every teaching by His written Word.


the precepts of men.’”

Human rules cannot produce the righteousness or devotion God requires.

Detailed regulations concerning ceremonial practices had come to overshadow weightier matters such as honoring parents, mercy, faithfulness, and obedience.

Christ’s rebuke calls believers to reject any tradition that displaces God’s authority and to serve Him from hearts transformed by truth.


I say ------This is worth repeating about a hundred times -----and More --Folks


Christ’s rebuke calls believers to

reject any tradition that displaces God’s authority

and to serve Him from hearts transformed by truth.



So How many minister's today are keeping Traditions that Displaces God's authority and How many are Serving and Preaching from a heart that is NOT Transformed by Truth ------

Keeping their Man Made Religions Human Driven ----not God Driven -----

 

[Luce NDs]

If a person or some other type of entity has a clue beyond the level of pure emotion ... would they process differentially?

Might this explain some entities?