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I don't think this one is a bot. I've been wrong before.


This situation is exactly what I've suggested many times before. There have to be members of more extreme churches who want to dial it down, but still believe.

I feel for kids like this. Usually these posts are from young atheists trying to navigate their lack of belief while living with Christian parents. This one is a twist on that, but I suggested a common approach.
 
Imagine trying to live as a child with a godde-gene raised by two devout atheists, one a brilliant man made a WW2 soldier from age 16-23 and a mad woman descended from a mad branch of an old Lithuanian family.

I think it's interesting how kids to adults adapt to/evolve from/ignore/are intrigued by various spiritualities.

The wisest advice I've ever heard (and I didn't have to deal with this, my parents were very kind and tried not to mock my various religious choices) is make sure you're independent and safe before you disclose anything that will cause a rupture in the sort of rigid people so inclined.
 
I don't think this one is a bot. I've been wrong before.


This situation is exactly what I've suggested many times before. There have to be members of more extreme churches who want to dial it down, but still believe.

I feel for kids like this. Usually these posts are from young atheists trying to navigate their lack of belief while living with Christian parents. This one is a twist on that, but I suggested a common approach.
Would you believe that it's just as hard for Christian kids whose parents aren't Christians?
 
Imagine trying to live as a child with a godde-gene raised by two devout atheists, one a brilliant man made a WW2 soldier from age 16-23 and a mad woman descended from a mad branch of an old Lithuanian family.

I think it's interesting how kids to adults adapt to/evolve from/ignore/are intrigued by various spiritualities.

The wisest advice I've ever heard (and I didn't have to deal with this, my parents were very kind and tried not to mock my various religious choices) is make sure you're independent and safe before you disclose anything that will cause a rupture in the sort of rigid people so inclined.
That's effectively what I told him.

There are opposite situations, but atheist parents aren't thinking Christian kids are going to miss out on atheist heaven. We don't have so much as a lemonade stand.
 
That's effectively what I told him.

There are opposite situations, but atheist parents aren't thinking Christian kids are going to miss out on atheist heaven. We don't have so much as a lemonade stand.

Agreed. For most of us non-theists, there's no streets of gold on offer, no merit stars for good behaviour. It's just non-life at the end of life, and probably, some memories of how pleasant our interactions with other humans might have been. Or not been, as the case may be.
 
Is God beyond fixation and other forms of intoxication with the way things are, were and the impossible ... anon ... that coming time that we are responsible for in a collective (integral) way ... now only if we could get some automatic item to do it ... and we wouldn't have to comprehend anything ... and so the wind blows ... responsibility is something we have trouble, bother and great concern about ... like a creature in the briar condition ... thorny eh! Thus urchins ... well toasted?
 
The person actually checked in to thank me. So probably not a bot.

I don't know why the United Church has never made it a publicized priority to bring in people who are uneasy with their current churches due to beliefs, sexism, homiphobia, etc. It's such an obvious avenue for actual growth.

Raid the stupid churches for non-stupid people.
 
The person actually checked in to thank me. So probably not a bot.

I don't know why the United Church has never made it a publicized priority to bring in people who are uneasy with their current churches due to beliefs, sexism, homiphobia, etc. It's such an obvious avenue for actual growth.

Raid the stupid churches for non-stupid people.
What do you think, chansen, every church that's not UCCanada's sexist, homophobic, etc.? The UCCanada doesn't even exist in most parts of the world
 
Here lies the problem with all the Man Made--- Man Driven Religions of the world ------

If your not happy with one Man made and Man driven Religion leave and go to another Man Made and Man driven Religion where you feel more comfortable -----

All your doing is taking your inner unsatisfied self from one man made and man driven religion to another -----

Man made Religion will never satisfy the Soul ------it causes confusion ----conflict and division -----

My Religion is better than your Religion ----I don't like your Religion so I am moving on to find something better that satisfies me and fits my way of life -----

And on and on it goes -----frustration and discontentment trying to find what they can't find ----
Steadfast Peace ---joy ---happiness and contentment in this world

Something only God can give a person ---and you won't find God in man made and man driven religions ---folks ----
 
Here lies the problem with all the Man Made--- Man Driven Religions of the world ------

If your not happy with one Man made and Man driven Religion leave and go to another Man Made and Man driven Religion where you feel more comfortable -----

All your doing is taking your inner unsatisfied self from one man made and man driven religion to another -----

Man made Religion will never satisfy the Soul ------it causes confusion ----conflict and division -----

My Religion is better than your Religion ----I don't like your Religion so I am moving on to find something better that satisfies me and fits my way of life -----

And on and on it goes -----frustration and discontentment trying to find what they can't find ----
Steadfast Peace ---joy ---happiness and contentment in this world

Something only God can give a person ---and you won't find God in man made and man driven religions ---folks ----
Yeah, unsafe, it's best to be a renegade believer. That way, one can look down one's nose at everyone else
 
Yeah, unsafe, it's best to be a renegade believer. That way, one can look down one's nose at everyone else

Or in reflex ion look up the nose and ... there behind it is found one of the greatest ignored organs ... the primal brain that is responsible for unconscious mental activities ... heartbeat, pressure, breathing catalysts for energy production and many other activities below the conscious horizon!

Is energy non physical or metaphysical? Would it drain to put forth the energy to provide a resolution to the probe? Metaphor is so busy ...
 
Yeah, unsafe, it's best to be a renegade believer
What is best -------is to Follow God and His Word -----which is THE WAY ------not any Man made and man driven Religions most of which have no idea who God is ----

Human Religions are People Pleasing Organizations not God Pleasing Organizations ---

I follow NO Organised Human Religions -----I do the Word and I am having a Great life -----I follow --------The Way -----and Jesus is the Way ---the Truth and The Life -----can't beat the life Jesus gives you when to Follow His Way ------


That way, one can look down one's nose at everyone else

Which your doing right now ---with your comment ------Looking down your nose at True Followers of THE WAY ------who reject Human Man Made religions ---

Jesus said ---Follow Me ----He never ---ever said Follow my many Man Made Religions

Get this Jaebius ----and don't THUMB YOUR NOSE at People who want to Follow The Right WAY -----just because you want to Follow your Human man made Religion of Calvinism -----Just saying ---- :angel:

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What if God is the word and is all a drift because of the folk that will not read wider in what's available ... institutional fixations?

Little motivations ... dwarfs ... 7 varieties of slowness ... one doctoring things for inert nature ... thus restful, observing from down there ... under the notorious tree ... they all despised any icon that would motivate ... veils to fall or vale as under ground ... men 've the deeps? Obviously black ...
 
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What do you think, chansen, every church that's not UCCanada's sexist, homophobic, etc.? The UCCanada doesn't even exist in most parts of the world
I don't think that's what he meant. He said that it is AN alternative, not THE alternative. And his remarks were really more about why the UCCan should be actively promoting itself as a "welcoming" church than about saying it was only option.

Also, while the UCCan is specifically Canadian, there are liberal Christian counterparts in most Western nations (United Church of Christ in the States, Uniting Church in Australia and so on) that can fill the bill. Not to mention liberal wings of denominations like the Methodists and Anglicans.

The tiresome sparring we see between unsafe and Jaebius highlight a critical problem with Christianity. When a religion that is claimed to be about following God spends more time jousting over how to do so and who is doing it right than on actually doing so, it just presents an easy target for critics like chansen. And fails to get its message across as it really does not have one message, but many often conflicting ones. Someone hears that the UCCan and similar liberal/progressive churches welcome all people at the same as other Christian denominations not only won't welcome certain people but lobby to take away their constitutional rights and one could be forgiven for wondering how they are both "Christian".
 
I don't think that's what he meant. He said that it is AN alternative, not THE alternative. And his remarks were really more about why the UCCan should be actively promoting itself as a "welcoming" church than about saying it was only option.

Also, while the UCCan is specifically Canadian, there are liberal Christian counterparts in most Western nations (United Church of Christ in the States, Uniting Church in Australia and so on) that can fill the bill. Not to mention liberal wings of denominations like the Methodists and Anglicans.

The tiresome sparring we see between unsafe and Jaebius highlight a critical problem with Christianity. When a religion that is claimed to be about following God spends more time jousting over how to do so and who is doing it right than on actually doing so, it just presents an easy target for critics like chansen. And fails to get its message across as it really does not have one message, but many often conflicting ones. Someone hears that the UCCan and similar liberal/progressive churches welcome all people at the same as other Christian denominations not only won't welcome certain people but lobby to take away their constitutional rights and one could be forgiven for wondering how they are both "Christian".

Why not call the spade a spade ... dark chaos ... in which none can see the end ... like living in an eternal dragon ... the goings on are fierce ... one has to satirize it --- Shaken point or speare in a midsummer dream ... in the midst of whatever was extreme! Lu the-reish ... reach partner? Deux 've a thing ... twins!

MLK is not maleic ... an alternate (used in coatings, etc.)! Stuff that's out there ... sometime in patches other times in multicolored applications ...
 
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The person actually checked in to thank me. So probably not a bot.

I don't know why the United Church has never made it a publicized priority to bring in people who are uneasy with their current churches due to beliefs, sexism, homiphobia, etc. It's such an obvious avenue for actual growth.

Raid the stupid churches for non-stupid people.
In a low-key way that was sort of one of the hopes for Emerging Spirit, maybe not explicitly stated but in the interpretation of the polling data behind the plan. One of the challenges 20 years ago (and probably still today) is that the United Church isn't a monolith on these issues -- despite what some would like to believe. So there were some people who experienced a bait and switch feeling.
 
The tiresome sparring we see between unsafe and Jaebius highlight a critical problem with Christianity
There is a Big Problem with Christianity ----I agree with that statement ---------

Now it is just an empty Religion ----just a lot of rules and regulations -----no personal Relationship with God as it was meant to be ----it has become a people pleasing Religion ---
 
Unsafe and Jae show how this thread ties into the Dead Internet Theory thread. The mindless bot-like arguments from both lack nuance or consideration for anything but their programmed answers, turning away others.

In a low-key way that was sort of one of the hopes for Emerging Spirit, maybe not explicitly stated but in the interpretation of the polling data behind the plan. One of the challenges 20 years ago (and probably still today) is that the United Church isn't a monolith on these issues -- despite what some would like to believe. So there were some people who experienced a bait and switch feeling.
Yep, which ties into the Emerging Spirit thread, and what we were discussing that the order of things was back-asswards. Fix your house before you invite people over.
 
Serious Post on the UCCAN Church showing it Dropped the true Christ--ian thinking and Preaching in to bring in a New way of thinking and Preaching to please the New Age coming up--So Ditched Christ theology which is God centered ------and went to Pleasing People and entertaining the world's Society -----Worldly Centered


Read all this for yourselves ---just posted some of it ------


Arts & Culture

The United Church of Canada: What You Need to Know​

April 23, 2018 | Kevin Flatt

Fred C. Würtele [Public domain], via Wikimedia Commons

What kind of a church has an atheist pastor?

In today’s United Church, requiring ministers to believe in God is a controversial idea.


Formation​

The United Church was formed in 1925 by the merger of two large Canadian denominations, the Methodists and the Presbyterians, as well as the much smaller Congregationalists. Although only two-thirds of the Presbyterians joined the union (the rest carried on as the Presbyterian Church in Canada), the United Church still began its life as the largest Protestant church in Canada.

The Early Decades​

Nevertheless, in its early decades the United Church still presented a broadly evangelical face to the world. From the 1930s through the 1950s, it carried forward evangelical causes of the nineteenth century, such as mass revivalism campaigns. A spirituality centred on “decisions for Christ” continued to be important to many church leaders, even those who no longer believed in the doctrines that had previously underpinned such phrases. As late as the 1950s, for instance, many official bodies and leaders endorsed Billy Graham’s evangelistic campaigns in Canada.

The Turbulent Sixties​

Clearly, something had to give. Practices like mass evangelism made sense because they assumed a certain kind of theology—theology United Church leaders had left behind. The events of the 1960s resolved that tension, decisively, in favour of liberalism.

The Long Decline​

From the standpoint of the Sixties, this all seemed like a plausible strategy: get rid of old thinking, embrace the world’s progressive causes, and you’ll remain relevant.

Stay stuck in your ways, and you’ll be left behind by a rapidly changing society.


Plausible, but wrong. In one of the great ironies of Christian history, churches that followed this strategy lost both members and influence, while churches that took the opposite tack gained both.

The strategy adopted by the United Church made that road much more difficult.

On one side, it drove out many members and their families with evangelical convictions—people who were often highly committed churchgoers, givers, and volunteers, the backbone of local congregations. They left for Baptist and Pentecostal and other evangelical churches, many of which are today peppered with ex-United Church members.

On the other side, in speaking to lukewarm or skeptical members, the church was left without a compelling answer to the question—increasingly pressing after 1960—“why should I get my family out of bed to attend church every Sunday?” If the traditional core beliefs of Christianity were psychological metaphors at best and outright lies at worst, and if “the world” had the real answers, why go to church at all? The trickle of escaping evangelicals was thus joined by a large exodus of people who left church altogether.
 
here you go Ai saying the same as above ---imagine that

AI Overview


The perception of The United Church of Canada (UCCan) as a "people-pleasing" church is a common critique, often stemming from its theologically liberal, highly inclusive, and socially progressive stance.


The Critic’s View: "People-Pleasing" or "Watered Down"Traditionalists, conservative Christians, and internal critics often argue that the UCCan adapts its theology to match prevailing secular cultural trends rather than holding to historic Christian doctrines. Points often cited to support this view include: [1, 2]
 
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