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ChemGal
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But high for an outbreak!
And then there's the second, third, etc. degrees of spread outward. Calgary currently has more than 3x the amount of cases that Edmonton does, give it a week and I think Calgary zone will be up to 1000+ again.
Northwind
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This seems rather extreme and premature Alberta covid plan
I realize this will become like any other public health issue. It just seems early to do that now.
I realize this will become like any other public health issue. It just seems early to do that now.
So 40% of hospitalizations for Covid 19 in the UK are double vaccinated.....does this explanation make sense?
theconversation.com
COVID: the reason cases are rising among the double vaccinated – it’s not because vaccines aren’t working
Most people being hospitalised with COVID-19 in the UK have had both vaccine doses, but this is to be expected as vaccination rates rise.
theconversation.com
ChemGal
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Plus even for influenza we test people who don't require hospitalization.
ChemGal
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Details are now posted online, was annoyed too about that. Dr. Hinshaw asked people to check online for all the details with dates due to the number of changes and hours later it still wasn't posted.
www.alberta.ca
COVID-19 info for Albertans
Albertans are adapting to living with COVID‑19 as we continue to manage COVID-19 with approaches used for other respiratory viruses.
Mendalla
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Seems good to me, really. I'd have to show it to my wife, who's the real stats and research methods geek around here, but on first read it makes sense. @ChemGal? You're pretty good with this stuff.So 40% of hospitalizations for Covid 19 in the UK are double vaccinated.....does this explanation make sense?
COVID: the reason cases are rising among the double vaccinated – it’s not because vaccines aren’t working
Most people being hospitalised with COVID-19 in the UK have had both vaccine doses, but this is to be expected as vaccination rates rise.
That said, around here, the health unit is saying only 4.3% of new cases are in vaccinated people and none of those are in the hospital. So anecdotal evidence suggest 40% might actually be high. But it is anecdotal.
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No, 40% have been vaccinated and 15% of those had both vaccinations. That still doesn’t say how many of the double vaccinated have been at least 2 weeks post the second one. Since this is the UK, it is also most likely that most of them had AZ and not Pfizer, which also means it had less effectiveness in the first place.So 40% of hospitalizations for Covid 19 in the UK are double vaccinated.....does this explanation make sense?
COVID: the reason cases are rising among the double vaccinated – it’s not because vaccines aren’t working
Most people being hospitalised with COVID-19 in the UK have had both vaccine doses, but this is to be expected as vaccination rates rise.
Some of the other arguments in the article are also not logical, like that if everyone was vaccinated all in the hospital would also be vaccinated people. That forgets the point that the vaccination is supposed to reduce the effect of covid and prevent hospitalization. So people in hospital is not a positive sign that the vaccination works, at least if they are admitted because of covid and not because of a broken leg.
ChemGal
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Right, looking at his tweet the corrected version is 60% are unvaccinated, so 40% have some degree of vaccination.
And yes, we expected varying levels of cases amoungst the vaccinated. I dropped the SARS-CoV-2 language a while ago as public health officials aren't using that now. But technically many positive cases who are vaccinated do not actually have COVID, although I haven't seen clear critieria set up for what constitutes COVID (vs. say something like AIDS which has a clear definition and many with HIV do not have AIDS).
Yes, there will also be symptomatic cases, hospitalized cases and deaths.
Effectiveness can be measure different ways, that was discussed months ago. You can measure states for actually contracting the varius, developing symptoms, needing hospitalization, and deaths.
Even if the vaccine where 100% effective at prevent deaths (and we can't really expect that of any vaccine, for all populations) that doesn't mean no one will be sick.
I have to say, I was wondering the same thing, I thought if we had both doses that Covid would be milder and not require hospitalization.
BetteTheRed
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Better words might be, and "probably would not require hospitalization". Viruses are the original Trickster.
BetteTheRed
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I had zero reaction to my second shot. Like, even the muscle ache in my arm was a lot less (now, that has something to do with the needle talent of the injecting person). No (extraordinary) tiredness. No other symptoms. It almost makes me worry that I haven't acquired enough antibodies, but given my body's over-reaction to all sorts of wyrd and wonderful triggers, who knows.
Imagine the extent of the unknown that many claim does not exist due to how much they know of it!
Puts a gap in existentialism and the oppositional conflict that may only be in the mind of the conceiver .. if they haven't wasted or trashed it ...
Generating huge abstracts ... supported by static instead of status? Arrested charges of eclectic nature ... virtual unknowns!
Puts a gap in existentialism and the oppositional conflict that may only be in the mind of the conceiver .. if they haven't wasted or trashed it ...
Generating huge abstracts ... supported by static instead of status? Arrested charges of eclectic nature ... virtual unknowns!
Although, the vaccines were rolled out earlier in the UK so possibly it's also a sign of immunity not lasting as long as they thought with a combination of the Delta variant making its presence known.
I think I read that immunity has been documented for at least 8 months....so getting vaccines in January would bring one to 8 months?
Northwind
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Alberta covid plan could have ripple effect
This is frustrating. I do believe that covid will become just another illness that public health folks will monitor. It seems that the leadership of Alberta is only interested in business. Certainly not the health and well being of Albertans. Does Dr Hinshaw really recommend and believe this stuff?
This is frustrating. I do believe that covid will become just another illness that public health folks will monitor. It seems that the leadership of Alberta is only interested in business. Certainly not the health and well being of Albertans. Does Dr Hinshaw really recommend and believe this stuff?
ChemGal
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Depends on what leadership is included. I think it's a small minority with a large amount of power right now unfortunately.
From what is known about what Dr. Hinshaw has recommended, I think it's safe to say many of her recommendations are being ignored.
My interpretation - Kenney said we were opening up, and he's going to lose a chunk of his supports if he backs down on that, so he's just going to power through.
I wonder what the hospitalizations will have to hit for him to reconsider.
The effect of changes here does seem to be a bit different with other provinces, I'm not sure why. Restrictions do seem to lead to rather quick improvements to the numbers. If Kenney wasn't so reluctant to put things in, I think we could have had a really great outcome in terms of balancing low COVID impact while also a low restrictions impact., With the 2nd and 3rd wave though, Kenney was too considered about what the data is right now, rather than where is it heading. He was too worried about some people going see - it wasn't a big deal because they don't understand the difference between being proactive and reactive.