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They are not overwhelming the system in Canada. Most people are being told to stay home if they feel unwell and are not even being tested to see what they have. The stats are not showing an overwhelming of the system of covid patients directly. The system is overwhelming itself with these sudden drastic changes and everybody feeling panicked or uneasy.
 
So, I met a neighbour a couple of blocks away....”Kathy in the house with the blue roof”... she was outside with her 3 grandkids who she’s raising, as they rode around the dead-end street on bikes and trikes (there’s a path at the end I can go on in my scooter to get to a main road). We brought up social distancing...but I felt she was standing a bit too close...not sure it was 1.5 metres. She had the sniffles a bit. She was really nice...but it was going through my mind. I did back up a bit, because I said goodbye but then we chatted a couple more minutes, and she took a step forward to block the sun from my eyes...she was being nice. But still a bit too close. I don’t want me or anyone to get this. I just think shutting the world down over it feels like a bit much.
 
Northwind said:
Works both ways. Go ahead and feel persecuted.
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Again ... I have nothing but respect for your way of living. I know that you are an inherently good person.
I am far from feeling persecuted. I am 63 years of age ... but not overly invested in 'staying alive at all costs'.
That is not a claim to being better or worse than anyone else ...
You are most certainly not the only person that does not want to hear what I have to say ... yet I feel that I have to say it.
It is possible that I am not saying it well enough for people to understand ...
It is just as possible that not everyone is at all interested in what I have to say, period.
I think you are not that interested in what I have to say sometimes. This is one of them.
No harm. No foul. No persecution. I'm ok you're ok.
 
Ritafee said:
It is possible that I am not saying it well enough for people to understand
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I want to understand. It's not easy.


Ritafee said:
I am far from feeling persecuted. I am 63 years of age ... but not overly invested in 'staying alive at all costs'.
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I'm 62. This past year has presented its challenges. I'm interested in staying as healthy as possible. That being said, life will unfold as it will.
 
Northwind said:
I want to understand. It's not easy.
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You and I and everyone else here might very well come to a distinctly different understanding of these 'expert' scenarios.
I find them disconcerting to say the least. I will watch again and see if I was 'being biased'. It's not easy!
www.centerforhealthsecurity.org

Event 201 | Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security

The Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security in partnership with the World Economic Forum and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation hosted Event 201, a high-level pandemic exercise on October 18, 2019, in New York, NY.
www.centerforhealthsecurity.org www.centerforhealthsecurity.org
Just the highlights:
 
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I figure scientists know far more than I do. They are the best in many ways to share the information. I include physicians in the group with scientists. I don't think it is useful to either blindly accept or dismiss what they tell us. They are also far better equipped than the politicians to present the scientific info.

There are definitely alarming things happening with this. It is an excellent opportunity for disaster capitalism. I've seen some things being pushed through in the US and Alberta. I'm sure it's happening elsewhere. That is definitely concerning.

I will look at that info you posted in the morning. Mornings are the best time for me to look at things like that.
 
Kimmio Laughterlove said:
Oh really? Looks like it’s pretty much shut down to me.
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Grocery stores are open. Many health care services are available. Most hardware stores are open. Trade is occurring. Education systems are still running, although differently. The internet is still up. We have running water and electricity. Telephone and cable is running. People are able to come home from the US. Stock market is still trading.
 
I was out and about a bit today. I had to go up to the hospital for an infusion. It was weird. The door they told me to use was closed so I had to go to the main door. Fair enough. I walked through the main door and there was no screening or anything. I used hand sanitizer and proceeded to my destination. I had to use hand sanitizer again (my poor hands....) The nurse who did the infusion took a few extra steps for protection. He put on a mask when he was close to me and also used gloves when he would have use bare hands before. The chairs were a little further apart than normal.

When I left the hospital I stopped at Pet Value and a couple other stores. Pet Value was only letting two customers in at a time, and only in the entrance in squares marked out for distance. The staff would get what the customer needed. The other stores had safety measures in place. I felt safe and only touched what I needed to touch. Life continues on a slower scale
 
Kimmio Laughterlove said:
But we can’t even get together for activities. Everything is online, and being tracked. It’s pretty apocalyptic.
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It is definitely weird. I'm hoping there will be some cool things come from this.

Yes, I've already seen things that are scary, bills passed or promoted in the US and AB. I'm sure they're not alone. :(
 
And here is an 'expert' that I agree with whole-heartedly:

Rob Wallace is an evolutionary biologist and phylogeographer for public health in the USA. He has been working for twenty-five years on various aspects of new pandemics and is the author of the book “Big Farms Make Big Flu”.

Who is to blame?

I said industrial agriculture, but there’s a larger scope to it. Capital is spearheading land grabs into the last of primary forest and smallholder-held farmland worldwide. These investments drive the deforestation and development leading to disease emergence. The functional diversity and complexity these huge tracts of land represent are being streamlined in such a way that previously boxed-in pathogens are spilling over into local livestock and human communities.

popularresistance.org

Coronavirus Is A “Disease Of Civilization”

Rob Wallace: It depends on where you are in the timing of your local outbreak of Covid-19: early, peak level, late? How good is your region’s public health response? What are your demographics? How old are you? Are you immunologically compromised? What is your underlying health? To ask an...
popularresistance.org popularresistance.org
 
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Northwind said:
There are definitely alarming things happening with this. It is an excellent opportunity for disaster capitalism.
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And that is my main point ...

Using an outbreak to beta-test the latest in autocratic control post-outbreak is disaster capitalism gone off the rails.

In terms of public health, I would err on the side of trust and compassion, which are important epidemiological variables. Without either, jurisdictions lose their populations‘ support. A sense of solidarity and common respect is a critical part of eliciting the cooperation we need to survive such threats together. Self-quarantines with the proper support–check-ins by trained neighborhood brigades, food supply trucks going door-to-door, work release and unemployment insurance–can elicit that kind of cooperation, that we are all in this together - Rob Wallace
 
That's an interesting article @Ritafee. It's another thing to look at in the morning. I agree, we need to look at the structural issues. We need to let the doctors and nurses deal with the ground level work. Each of us to our ability address whatever level we can. Having this discussion, including the disagreements is one way to do this.
 
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