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Northwind said:
Just for argument's sake, are we expendable if we're over a certain age or if our immune system is compromised?
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No! That's not my point. The point is that this is no different than when we have a bad cold and flu season (1/3 of all common colds are caused by variations of types of corona virus) but only now everything is being shut down by government decree. It's scary.
 
Kimmio Laughterlove said:
No! That's not my point. The point is that this is no different than when we have a bad cold and flu season (1/3 of all common colds are caused by variations of types of corona virus) but only now everything is being shut down by government decree. It's scary.
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It is different and that difference has been explained numerous times already.
 
True. The homeless die in greater numbers than this. But over 65 year olds in the world generally, have more money and status/ power. Just look who's in charge.

Local governments would never declare a poverty pandemic and place restrictions on people for that. They won't even place controls on rent prices.
(Fk, in the states they won't even impose limits on all kinds of public health problems, like the NRA. It's a public health problem that mostly affects people under 65)
 
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I'm going to make a single observation about "serious". The Chinese government is, not to put too fine a point on it, the most pragmatic government ever invented. If they say "shut down", I'm gonna concur.
 
Kimmio Laughterlove said:
No! That's not my point. The point is that this is no different than when we have a bad cold and flu season (1/3 of all common colds are caused by variations of types of corona virus) but only now everything is being shut down by government decree. It's scary.
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If the average age was 30 for people suddenly dying within a 3 month period, would you take it more seriously? And how do you know that this virus won't gain in strength the longer it's around and start to affect the younger people? Let's not forget we know next to nothing about it....it's just been "born".
 
Waterfall said:
If the average age was 30 for people suddenly dying within a 3 month period, would you take it more seriously? And how do you know that this virus won't gain in strength the longer it's around and start to affect the younger people? Let's not forget we know next to nothing about it....it's just been "born".
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Yes I would take it more seriously if it was killing young healthy people. Why? Because populations with weakened immune systems means they are likely anyway to have weakened immune systems -and that a coronavirus (there are already several) is affecting those populations more is not out of the ordinary. If it was killing kids and young adults yes it would and should be more alarming - even from a scientific point of view.
 
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Hello? Hong Kong protests?! Protestors being beaten with clubs by "black and white shirts" on subways? Remember that? It was only months ago!

Okay be cautious not to get sick...stay home, stay away from the immune compromised and elderly if you have a bug. Wash your hands well...but don't be ignorant.
 
Do we agree on the definition of "pragmatic"? To do the next correct practical thing? To rely on fact, not opinion?

I personally regard the U.S. "systems" of government, etc., essentially a military/prison economy, as MUCH more brutal, much more racist/classist than China, which is simply and largely, an ancestor-focussed resource processing economy.
 
Let's get real blunt here. In the U.S., a huge number of people die from lack of health care, many more than the Chinese government executes. How should people die prematurely?

I think you need to look at your "intersectionality" here, my dear, and incorporate a huge pile of middle-class WASP in there. You are very resistant, it appears from your posts, to non-Western governance systems.
 
BetteTheRed said:
Do we agree on the definition of "pragmatic"? To do the next correct practical thing? To rely on fact, not opinion?

I personally regard the U.S. "systems" of government, etc., essentially a military/prison economy, as MUCH more brutal, much more racist/classist than China, which is simply and largely, an ancestor-focussed resource processing economy.
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I disagree. China is a brutal dictatorship, literally. I wouldn't want their kind of government, especially overnight. And you couldn't criticize them or you might go to jail. You wouldn't like that, you being you.
 
Kimmio Laughterlove said:
Yes I would take it more seriously if it was killing young healthy people. Why? Because populations with weakened immune systems means they are likely anyway to have weakened immune systems -and that a coronavirus (there are already several) is affecting those populations more is not out of the ordinary. If it was killing kids and young adults yes it would and should be more alarming - even from a scientific point of view.
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If it's not out of the ordinary....then why are we noticing it?
 
Barbara is out to her knitting group. I have just walked our pup. The sky is blue, the sun going down and the air a bit nippy.

While walking I thought about the virus now posing a threat to the well being of some persons. These are those vulnerable for various reasons, including chronic illnesses and old age. Being a robust person of seventy years I have no fear of any infection. I do all possible to resist them so that my organism may remain balanced and stable. Should one take root it will in no way diminish my appreciation of life. It will present itself and I, in cooperation with significant others, will develop a strategy to address symptoms and encourage personality. I have no desire for my person to be implicated in the passing of my body.

There is a sickness in the wings. That sickness has become ripe ground for the encouragement and growth of fear in the population. Not just fear of the sickness. Fear of economic repercussions, including a possible collapse of the market. These fears are not much fostered in the media. They linger in the background of our common consciousness. If we do not bring them into the light, their dark powers will overwhelm our true human being. Carl Jung speaks of destructive mass neurosis following repressed consciousness of danger.

I have had a life long relationship with death. It sits at my right hand and walks by my right side. At any moment I may be taken from my body. For me that will be a moment of liberation. What follows? I have no idea. My trust is in that which has brought me to this place and prepared me for these times.

"Perfect love casts out all fear."

"Even when I walk through the valley of death's dark shadow, I will not be afraid."
 
OK, kimmio, how many " real" chinese people do you know personally? Mendalla is married to a Chinese woman. My ex-brother-in-law has a wonderful Chinese partner, who is a source of wonderful oolong.

The REALITY of China is MUCH more complex than "brutal dictatorship".
 
BetteTheRed said:
OK, kimmio, how many " real" chinese people do you know personally? Mendalla is married to a Chinese woman. My ex-brother-in-law has a wonderful Chinese partner, who is a source of wonderful oolong.

The REALITY of China is MUCH more complex than "brutal dictatorship".
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Yeah and they live here.

Nobody is criticizing Chinese people. It's always the rulers not the people.
 
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